Bird Origins

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NATURE: Ducks: An Original DUCKumentary

A quote-worthy comment: "They were one of the first creatures to return from land, to the sea."

Endlessly, I have attempted to get this simplest of obvious truths across to (sadly) people who claim to believe in Evolution. Shame on them for not being able to think outside of the tiny atheist box where they behave like parrots! So hooked on dinosaur-bird hype, they cannot correctly picture the actual geological layout on earth, nor the unique ecosystems that existed then, alien to our own perceptions of what constitutes life on our present day planet, much less the earliest organisms on earth.

They can cite a few facts, to support some theories but lack the ability to actually visualize the larger picture of how the earth looked, back then... without highways and other infrastructure, totally devoid of all man-made interference. Swamps and seas covered the earth.

Animals emerged on land.

Early Animals

Earth looked something like this in many places, with exception to oceans covering the earth.

Early Animals

Also, the ancestors of birds were very similar to the creatures seen in these drawings and lived very much like them.

These creatures depicted in the drawings had left the water I hate to report to these certain individuals. Leg-bearing, and terrestrial, but had not yet ventured far from the water's edge.

Here are more of these creatures who had "left the water".

Early Animals

I am shamelessly of the Feduccia persuasion. See this article.

“We all agree that birds and dinosaurs had some reptilian ancestors in common,” said Feduccia, professor of biology in UNC’s College of Arts and Sciences. “But to say dinosaurs were the ancestors of the modern birds we see flying around outside today because we would like them to be is a big mistake.

“The theory that birds are the equivalent of living dinosaurs and that dinosaurs were feathered is so full of holes that the creationists have jumped all over it, using the evolutionary nonsense of “Ëœdinosaurian science’ as evidence against the theory of evolution,” he said. “To paraphrase one such individual, “This isn’t science . . . This is comic relief.’”

Although a few artists depicted feathered dinosaurs as far back as the 1970s, Feduccia said the strongest case for feathered dinosaurs arose in 1996 with a small black and white photo of the early Cretaceous period small dinosaur Sinosauropteryx, which sported a coat of filamentous structures some called “dino-fuzz.”

“The photo subsequently appeared in various prominent publications as the long-sought “definitive’ evidence of dinosaur “œfeathers’ and that birds were descended from dinosaurs,” he said. “Yet no one ever bothered to provide evidence — either structural or biological — that these structures had anything to do with feathers. In our new work, we show that these and other filamentous structures were not protofeathers, but rather the remains of collagenous fiber meshworks that reinforced the skin.”

Belief in the existence of the “dino-fuzz feathers” caused some scientists to conclude that they served as insulation, and hence dinosaurs were warm-blooded.

The researchers also examined evidence from five independent, agreeing studies involving structural and genetic analyses related to the “tridactyl,” or three-fingered, hand, which is composed of digits 1, 2 and 3 in dinosaurs, Feduccia said. That is the most critical characteristic linking birds to dinosaurs. They found that embryos of developing birds differed significantly in that bird wings arose from digits 2, 3 and 4, the equivalent of index, middle and ring fingers of humans. To change so radically during evolution would be highly unlikely.

“If birds descended from dinosaurs, we would expect the same 1, 2 and 3 pattern,” he said.

Current dinosaurian dogma requires that all the intricate adaptations of birds’ wings and feathers for flight evolved in a flightless dinosaur and then somehow became useful for flight only much later, Feduccia said. That is “close to being non-Darwinian.”

Also, the current feathered dinosaurs theory makes little sense time-wise either because it holds that all stages of feather evolution and bird ancestry occurred some 125 million years ago in the early Cretaceous fossils unearthed in China.

That’s some 25 million years after the time of Archaeopteryx, which already was a bird in the modern sense,” he said. Superficially bird-like dinosaurs occurred some 25 million to 80 million years after the earliest known bird, which is 150 million years old.”

Feduccia said the publication and promotion of feathered dinosaurs by the popular press and by prestigious journals and magazines, including National Geographic, Nature and Science, have made it difficult for opposing views to get a proper hearing.

“With the advent of “Ëœfeathered dinosaurs,’ we are truly witnessing the beginnings of the meltdown of the field of paleontology,” he said. “Just as the discovery a four-chambered heart in a dinosaur described in 2000 in an article in Science turned out to be an artifact, feathered dinosaurs too have become part of the fantasia of this field. Much of this is part of the delusional fantasy of the world of dinosaurs, the wishful hope that one can finally study dinosaurs at the backyard bird feeder.

“It is now clear that the origin of birds is a much more complicated question than has been previously thought,” Feduccia said.

I will not be persuaded without evidence to the otherwise as Feduccia presented it so eloquently. Just makes a rational reasonable argument. If we are to accept the geological fossil layers, in order and natural progression, please do not ask me to accept a fable based on a fantasy that birds evolved from dinosaurs, long after birds already existed. Such a thing is simply nonsense.

However, back to my point. The atheist I was embroiled in a discussion with was quite upset that the text in Genesis says, God commanded birds to come from the water. Well, according to the drawings about early earth, that's quite a reasonable statement.

Here is the verse that was cause for so much unnecessary angst,

Genesis 1:20 KJV
King James Version
And God said , Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

Though other translations tend to differ from the King James Version,

Genesis 1:20 NKJV
New King James Version
Then God said, "Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens."

Genesis 1:20 NIV
New International Version
And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky."

Interesting, some translations imply the verse is not even implying "birds came from water." The King James Version may read like that but other translations lend credence that context and meaning is a matter of translation. Atheists would like to discard Genesis 1:20 as a "myth" that birds flew out of the ocean, and for people to erroneously believe bird ancestors began like reptiles or lizards, crawled to the desert, and *ALL 100%* moved into dry, desert land, living like the roadrunner in the cartoon, and then trekked thousands of miles back to swampy lands and returned to the water. It simply never happened that way.

However, it needs be stated it was never even the verse itself in Genesis that captured my great fascination with bird evolution. It was the birds, themselves. Are they not the embodiment of what Charles Darwin himself predicted with the theory of Natural Selection. Modern day terrestrial varieties of birds, still possess the nictitating membrane, an ancient transparent inner eyelid (found in birds, reptiles, and some mammals). What all important purpose does such a protective eyelid serve for a cardinal, pigeon or other terrestrial bird? Birds still possess their water-resistant feathers, whether aquatic, or fully terrestrial and living deep inland. They still possess their scaley feet. The anatomy of these creatures, birds, tell an important story about their origins. They originated from aquatic ancestors.

I diligently tried to explain to the atheist, that ancestors of birds came out on land yes, indeed, of course, they have legs, but they never truly or completely left the water's edge. This is common sense for any person who understands what evolution has taught us. The early ancestors of birds diversified... branching into around 10,000 species according to modern estimates. Today, many species are primarily terrestrial whilst others are primarily aquatic such as ducks, geese, cranes, etc. Some like the Albatross wander far out to sea, some migrate hundreds of miles over ocean waters. Bird ancestors... like modern day birds stayed near the water's edge... they never wandered that far from the water. And, according to the NATURE "DUCKumentary" clip, birds were one of the first groups to return to their ancestors' aquatic habitat.


An Atheist Respondee: "....it’s wrong compared with modern science: Creation of fish and birds to fill the seas and the sky."

Genesis/Science: zat so?


http://eol.org/pages/8245/overview

Flying fish, family Exocoetidae, are a diverse group of about 60+ fish in 7 genera (some classifications claim up to 9 genera). These mainly pelagic marine fish are widespread and abundant in the tropical and subtropical areas of the Pacific, Atlantic and Indian oceans. Flying fish primarily eat zooplankton, and are in turn an important food source for many marine predators including dolphinfishes, tunas, billfishes, cetaceans, as well as pelagic seabirds. Although they can’t actually fly, they are well known for their enlarged pectoral fins (“wings”), which allow them to make gliding leaps out of the water, a behavior believed to help them escape predation. Some species of flying fish have enlarged pelvic fins as well as enlarged pectoral fins, which allows them to fly further than two winged gliders (up to 400 meters), and have far greater maneuverability. A recent molecular phylogenetic analysis of the flying fish supports previous hypotheses that the evolution of four-winged gliding evolved once from a two-winged ancestor, perhaps in a three-step progression of gliding abilities (Lewallen et al 2011; Kutschera 2005). Flying fish have evolved a diversity of reproductive and life histories strategies: some lay their eggs in the open ocean, and have buoyant eggs that float on the ocean surface or non-buoyant eggs that have stringy filaments which get wound up in floating debris, others spend their lives in coastal areas, or return to coastal areas to breed; the different species also show a great diversity in how wide a range they occupy.

Your problem is "Modern Science" can only make guesses, hypothesis... at best, "theories' based on scant fossil evidences about "what was" hundreds of millions of years ago.

"Modern Science" does not offer DEFINITIVE ANSWERS about the fossil record which primarily remains shrouded in mystery on such issues as "bird evolution." Many atheists, who are akin to fundamentalists, knowing there are no clear answers, DEMAND instant, patent packaged theories... fairy tales to fill in the gaps, and can not deal with unknowns, and prematurely connect a relationship between birds and dinosaurs. And dinosaurs? So little is known about them too! Yet, Atheists have ALL THE ANSWERS, patent and packaged, ready to sell you, whether its not true... doesn't enter the equation. A lie is as good as any truth. Truth takes effort, it takes work, it takes research, it takes facts... but religions like Atheism like the easy route.

Oh, and these flying fish... just when did they evolve? Do they know with all certainty? Did this phenomena arise when fish first evolved and carried with the earliest species who ventured out on land like the modern Mud Skippers, and then they went extinct and replaced by "birds," evolving the ability to fly in the open air.

There's no positive way to know with all certainty, is there?

Just like (militant atheist pseudo-darwinists) were espousing the belief that "polydactyly" were some proof of "Modern Evolution"... then empirical fossil evidence turned that argument on its head, noting that six digits arose 100's of million of years ago, and disappeared. Only to arise again and again from perhaps, merely, junk dna...

Polydactyly in the earliest known tetrapod limbs

M. I. Coates & J. A. Clack
University Museum of Zoology, University of Cambridge, Downing Street, Cambridge CB2 3EJ, UK

NEW specimens of the earliest known tetrapod limbs shows them to be polydactylous. The forelimb of Acanthostega has eight digits and the hindlimb of Ichthyostega has seven. Both of these come from the Upper Devonian of East Greenland, complementing the only other known Devonian tetrapod limb, that of Tulerpeton from Russia1, which has six digits. The morphology of the specimens suggests that limbs with digits may have been adaptations to an aquatic rather than a terrestrial environment. The pattern of digits corresponds to a recently proposed model for limb development2 in which digit number is unspecified, rather than earlier models3–10 which are rejected because they postulate a fixed number of elements in the ancestral limb. We challenge pentadactyly as primitive for tetrapods3,11. The form of these limbs suggests early specialization in the evolution of the tetrapod limb bud.

Source: Nature.com


A quote-worthy comment about "Ducks: A DUCKumentary":

"They were one of the first creatures to return from land, to the sea."

Don't know if you got that. The significance of what the narrator is saying:

Archaeopteryx: The Transitional Fossil
"..Archaeopteryx lived around 151 million to 149 million years ago — during the Tithonian period, the late stage of the Jurassic era — in what is now southern Germany. At the time Europe was an archipelago and was much closer to the equator than it is today, providing this bird-like dinosaur with a fairly warm home close to the sea in which it could thrive."
http://www.livescience.com/24745-archaeopteryx.html

"...a fairly warm home close to THE SEA..."

Thank you.

NOW, THE CASE IS SOOOO CLOSED on that issue. Birds did not evolve on land like the cartoon rendition of Wiley E. Coyote and Roadrunner in the middle of the desert. Birds... evolved in and around the waterways, they came from water, they are suited for moist terrain, and habitats, and inevitably descendent species returned to live the majority of their lives in water, such as ducks, geese, cranes, swans, albatross, etc.

Charles Darwin would roll his eyes, and ask, "How could it be that two people who believe in my theory are even arguing over this question?! OF COURSE birds derived their physical characteristics from their (wet) environment. This Atheist should know better!"

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Ted Bundy, the Atheist

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Memorable famous last words.

Where are you now God?!
You going to strike me down?!
Where are your thunderbolts to strike me down?!?
Where's the crevice in the earth that's
suppose to open up and swallow me?!?
Where is it?!

Nothing??!

NOTHING?!?!
“Then I learned that all moral judgments are "value judgments," that all value judgments are subjective, and that none can be proved to be either "right" or "wrong." I even read somewhere that the Chief Justice of the United States had written that the American Constitution expressed nothing more than collective value judgments. Believe it or not, I figured out for myself - what apparently the Chief Justice couldn't figure out for himself”that if the rationality of one value judgment was zero, multiplying it by millions would not make it one whit more rational. Nor is there any "reason" to obey the law for anyone, like myself, who has the boldness and daring "” the strength of character "” to throw off its shackles. ... I discovered that to become truly free, truly unfettered, I had to become truly uninhibited. And I quickly discovered that the greatest obstacle to my freedom, the greatest block and limitation to it, consists in the insupportable value judgment" that I was bound to respect the rights of others. I asked myself, who were these "others"? Other human beings, with human rights? Why is it more wrong to kill a human animal than any other animal, a pig or a sheep or a steer? Is your life more to you than a hog's life to a hog? Why should I be willing to sacrifice my pleasure more for the one than for the other? Surely, you would not, in this age of scientific enlightenment, declare that God or nature has marked some pleasures as "moral" or "good" and others as "immoral" or "bad"? In any case, let me assure you, my dear young lady, that there is absolutely no comparison between the pleasure I might take in eating ham and the pleasure I anticipate in raping and murdering you. That is the honest conclusion to which my education has led me after the most conscientious examination of my spontaneous and uninhibited self.”

- Ted Bundy

Started watching "Ed Gein" who dug up the dead including his mom and tried to resurrect them.

Super religious fanatic... got to feel sorry for him I guess in some ways. He was lonely... schizophrenia set in or something.

So Ed Gein goes from resurrecting the dead... to killing the living?

Then again, that is the history of the Christian church, come to think of it.

Gein, murdered some people believing God (thru his mom's supernatural apparitions or something) was killing for a "higher purpose"... ridding the world of "whores" and such, a result of her crazed whacked fundamentalist teachings from time he was a kid ~ that stone age barbaric hatred of women that ran rampant during the time of Jesus.... right on thru, drilled in tight, til his 50's or something.

There is a season for every purpose under heaven, including turning 18+. That is, there's a time to let your son grow up and not be your little boy anymore. Scheez.

Crazy fundamentalist **** whacker.

Got bored with that. Id seen it before anyway.

So, I turned over to watch whackjob #2 Ted Bundy.

It opens with him killing some lady in his patently sadistic, disgusting way, and there he's mocking, shouting at God, like, "Where are you God?! Where's the thunderbolts?! What? No ground opening to swallow me up?!"
The movie then jumps forward about a decade where he's in prison and the warden scoffs, "So you're a Christian now."

Almost ironic, since (Atheist) Bundy would beg God to bring down a thunderbolt... seems God delivered the very "sign" Ted Bundy asked for. He got his hateful woman-hating and God-hating arse loaded with several thousand volts of electricity. Old Sparky was God's messenger.

And, surely God should concur, Ed Gein was a total fruitcake brainwashed on religious dogma who lived out the rest of his natural life on a nutfarm.
Maybe it is "religion" that drives people insane... including Atheism.

Are there any famous serial killers who were Agnostic???

For in my experience,

  1. It actually takes an intelligent mind to be an Agnostic.
  2. Religious minds (including Atheists) always claim to already have the one and only patent truth of truths, while science investigates... Agnostics are humble enough to confess "I don't know everything." Evil men believe the cosmos revolve around them while Agnostics behold the expanse of the cosmos and marvel at their finite existence.

If there's any serial killers who are labeled "Agnostic" I would be inclined to conclude they were mistaken. That such serial killers were actually Atheist (like Bundy).

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Alice In Chains - The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here Lyrics

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THIS... this is my #1 all-time favorite band of bands.

I like the lines. Cantrell doesn't have a problem with faith... just FEAR. As in that myth of hell fire... which began as sheol in the Old Testament, and mythology kept heating hell up til it became a place of eternal torment. Only religious leaders like those under the mediaeval Church would dream up torturing souls, by roasting them over open flames. Man's design, not a god's. So, I do agree, that their god is an imaginary god. Its not the god of love they profess. I will proclaim one further. I believe in the true God, the living God, a God that has infinite love, wisdom and compassion... not that twisted mythology taught by modern christianity. I do not know their gods nor do I desire to.

Come to me I'll fill the hole 
Why would I be Lying 
End fan, all planned out 
Offering a wonderful 
Peace of mind worth buying 
Bow down last round up 
I am wise and you don't know 
A cloud is my home 
Only some get in 
Got a 'maginary friend 
The devil put dinosaurs here 
Jesus don't like a queer 
The devil put dinosaurs here 
No problem with faith just fear 
Promise those who've gone before 
Waitin' on you flyin' 
Leading receiving us 
I'm as flawed as any man 
Look at me I'm smiling 
Drink me, eat me up 
I am wise and you don't know 
A cloud is my home 
Only some get in 
Got a 'maginary friend 
The devil put dinosaurs here 
Jesus don't like a queer 
The devil put dinosaurs here 
No problem with faith just fear 
I am wise and you don't know 
A cloud is my home 
Only some get in 
Got a 'maginary friend 
The devil put dinosaurs here 
Jesus don't like a queer 
The devil put dinosaurs here 
No problem with faith 
Fear 
Liar
Teach the Controversy

Some other classic favorites by Alice in Chains,

WOULD with Layne Staley doing vocals.

STAY AWAY with Layne Staley doing vocals.

MAN IN THE BOX with Layne Staley doing vocals.

Songwriters: STALEY/CANTRELL

I'm the man in the box 
Buried in my shit 
Won't you come and save me, save me 

Feed my eyes, can you sew them shut? 
Jesus Christ, deny your maker 
He who tries, will be wasted 
Feed my eyes now you've sewn them shut 

I'm the dog who gets beat 
Shove my nose in shit 
Won't you come and save me, save me 

Feed my eyes, can you sew them shut? 
Jesus Christ, deny your maker 
He who tries, will be wasted 
Feed my eyes now you've sewn them shut 

Feed my eyes, can you sew them shut? 
Jesus Christ, deny your maker 
He who tries, will be wasted 
Feed my eyes now you've sewn them shut

"Man In The Box," may have been released in the 1990's. Layne Staley died of a heroin overdose in 2000's.

I'm sure he was feeling like a challenge to God... obviously he had serious problems, who should judge tho, because the man is dead. Big loss, because I REALLY liked his vocals.

Anyway, strange video. Some assume it to be "Anti Christ" but I don't see it that way. I see it merely as Jacob, wrestling with God, or Jesus asking "Father, why have you forsaken me" and other examples of people, daring to challenge God.

Jesus appears at the end of the video with his eyes sewn shut.
That's how Layne probably felt... abandoned, as if Jesus fails to see the pain and suffering... but what Layne did not understand, and the church failed to teach properly, is that one must have faith in GOD, not the church! not its greedy televangelists, not even the Bible, which has been edited, and re-edited, and heretical books added and dismissed by church leaders... faith not in men, but in God alone.... and let God personally, one on one do the teaching, and guiding, and healing. Layne did not understand this, and God let him die a death by heroin overdose.

Most so-called christians I know, would flip their nose up in the air at a heroin addict. "I would not associate with such filth!" they would arrogantly boast. And what would Jesus do? Jesus would extend his hand to the drug addict. I don't know many true Christians in this day and age. They follow a very strange god.

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Ginkgo biloba - Posterchild for Evolution

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The Ginkgo is in a monotypic genus. Ginkgo biloba is the _only_ species to survive from among this ancient order. (Ginkgo biloba)

Silhouettes of Ginkgo biloba leaves which reveal a range of variations in size and external morphology.

(paraphrased)"If a paleobotanist were to find a fossil leaf from a short and long shoot, they may be inclined to group them as different species. Not everyone would take cognizance of such possible variations when describing individual fossils and other structures."
Redrawn from Figure 27.2 in Paleobotany and the Evolution of Plants, 2nd Edition, Cambridge University Press ©1993

Creationists ask for transitional fossils that reveal a very subtle gradual transition from one species to another. If one gives close detailed observation to the structural differentiations within one living Ginkgo biloba, I think that expectation is asking an impossible lot.

How can the fossil record satisfy Creationists, when one species itself demonstrates the implausibility of such a demand?

Redrawn from Paleobotany and the Evolution of Plants, 2nd Edition, Cambridge University Press ©1993

A-C: Evolution of ginkgophyte leaves. Jurassic.
A Highly dissected leaf of Ginkogoites minuta.
B Lobed leaf of G. taeniata.
C Ginkgoidium with entire margin and single median sinus.

A-C redrawn from Harris, 1935.

D Ginkgo digitata. Jurassic.
E G. lamariensis. Cretaceous. (D, E redrawn from Brown, 1943).

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Evolution Caught In The Act

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I was cracking pecans earlier and came across a strange specimen. Normally they contain two halves.

Today, I ran on this strange one that had a third "half" growing inside the shell. In some ways it brought to mind the phenomena of mammals growing six toes, which has often been used as an example of "evolution" but failing to consider this phenomena, polydactyly in organisms; developing six digits was occuring long ago in early animal history. Therefore, it is hardly an example of evolution. Just a mere throwback to primitive junk dna, 100's of millions of years ago.

See "An early tetrapod from 'Romer's Gap'."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12097908

University Museum of Zoology, Cambridge, Downing St., Cambridge CB2 3EJ, UK. The fossil record of early tetrapods has been increased recently by new finds from the Devonian period and mid-late Early Carboniferous period. Despite this, understanding of tetrapod evolution has been hampered by a 20-million-year gap ('Romer's Gap') that covers the crucial, early period when many key features of terrestrial tetrapods were acquired. Here I describe the only articulated skeleton of a tetrapod, Pederpes, yet found from the Tournaisian epoch (354-344 million years ago (Myr)). The new taxon includes a pes with five robust digits, but a very small, possibly supernumerary digit preserved on the manus suggests the presence of polydactyly. Polydactylous early tetrapods may have survived beyond the end of the Devonian and pentadactyly cannot be assumed for the pes. However, the pes has characteristics that distinguish it from the paddle-like feet of the Devonian forms and resembles the feet of later, more terrestrially adapted Carboniferous forms. Pederpes is the earliest-known tetrapod to show the beginnings of terrestrial locomotion and was at least functionally pentadactyl. With its later American sister-genus, Whatcheeria, it represents the next most primitive tetrapod clade after those of the Late Devonian, bridging the temporal, morphological and phylogenetic gaps that have hitherto separated Late Devonian and mid-Carboniferous tetrapod faunas. PMID: 12097908 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Pecan oddity

Pecan oddity

Pecan oddity

Pecan oddity

Pecan oddity

Pecan oddity

Perhaps too much is being made of such oddities, perhaps not enough. Is it evolution trying to forge into a new species of Pecan, genes that have mutated or perhaps a throwback to some link to the old past? Perhaps its just a fluke caused by the weather and not genetic at all. I guess we shall never know because I ate it.

Pecan oddity

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They have eyes but are blinded, ears but are deafened, minds but self-deceived

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When was the last time you heard or read, a self-professed Christian begrudging the poor a welfare check?

When was the last time you saw any church, giving the poor a handout that did not have an investment attached to it? Would you sell your soul for a can of chicken noodle, green beans and a loaf of bread?

When was the last time you witnessed "goodly Christians" on the way to their favorite football game, but they looked away in disgust without an ounce of charity in their heart when seeing a dirty, hungry homeless man or family, women and children living on a street corner, or perhaps in their car... and not a kind charitable hand extended to them? They have money for their football tickets, but not enough to purchase a loaf of bread and peanut butter for the less fortunate, the same children of God.

These persons are self-centered, puffed up (see the Days of Unleavened Bread), vain, wicked, idle professors of faith. Christianity has sunken so deep in its idolatry of money and self-serving greed that it now preaches a gospel of wealth, Jesus wants you to be rich! says one televangelist. What false prophet is this, who uses the name of God for his vain glory and pleasure. For it is they who profit the Lord nothing. Why should the Lord, Jesus Christ, do away with the Old Testament scriptures when he himself quoted them to the religious hypocrites of his day? The same evil wicked religionists who murdered him in cold blood for the crime of speaking the truth... the truth of God's word. Those murderers of Jesus, are alive and well, the same religionists who put more credence in their false teachings, than to have faith and reverence in God.

Zechariah 7

1 In the fourth year of King Darius, the word of the LORD came to Zechariah on the fourth day of the ninth month, which is Chislev.
2 Now the town of Bethel had sent Sharezer and Regemmelech and their men to seek the favor of the LORD,
3 speaking to the priests who belong to the house of the LORD of hosts, and to the prophets, saying, “Shall I weep in the fifth month and abstain, as I have done these many years?”
4 Then the word of the LORD of hosts came to me, saying,
5 “Say to all the people of the land and to the priests, ‘When you fasted and mourned in the fifth and seventh months these seventy years, was it actually for Me that you fasted?
6 ‘When you eat and drink, do you not eat for yourselves and do you not drink for yourselves?

7 ‘Are not these the words which the LORD proclaimed by the former prophets, when Jerusalem was inhabited and prosperous along with its cities around it, and the Negev and the foothills were inhabited?’”

8 Then the word of the LORD came to Zechariah saying,
9 “Thus has the LORD of hosts said, ‘Dispense true justice and practice kindness and compassion each to his brother;
10 and do not oppress the widow or the orphan, the stranger or the poor; and do not devise evil in your hearts against one another.’
11 “But they refused to pay attention and turned a stubborn shoulder and stopped their ears from hearing.
12 “They made their hearts like flint so that they could not hear the law and the words which the LORD of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets; therefore great wrath came from the LORD of hosts.
13“And just as He called and they would not listen, so they called and I would not listen,”
says the LORD of hosts;
14“but I scattered them with a storm wind among all the nations whom they have not known. Thus the land is desolated behind them so that no one went back and forth, for they made the pleasant land desolate.”

Is it sin to oppress the widow and fatherless? Why indeed it was and still is! according to the prophets. The rich and powerful, setting themselves over such and exploiting the meek and defenseless for their own gain, all for an ill gotten profit. Those wretched conservatives, professing their christianity out of one side of their mouths but from the other side, would soon have child-protection laws stripped away and free to operate 20 hour a day, 7 day a week sweat shops exploiting defenseless women and children, for profit. These greed-worshipping capitalists, call themselves "Christian" but are the enemies of God.

Judaism 101: Yom Kippur
http://www.jewfaq.org/holiday4.htm‎
The name "Yom Kippur" means "Day of Atonement," and that pretty much explains what the holiday is. It is a day set aside to "afflict the soul," to atone for the sins ...

How many of those persons boasting themselves to be saved and "Christian" or "Jew" even understand the true meaning... the deep, spiritual relevance behind the Old Laws, the Old Holy Days such as the Day of Atonement?

I know, because I myself have experienced hunger and wished that one soul might have sympathy. In truth, few cared. It seemed many "Christians" were happy for my suffering and were too "goodly and saintly, holier than thou" to give bread to some person of my lowly estate. I should suffer! I should perish, as God should not dwell in one as unworthy as I! I cannot help but to feel sympathy for the homeless and the poor, the fatherless. The Lord has WRITTEN HIS LAWS IN MY HEART AND MY SOUL through harsh worldly experience. Typically, my suffering sprange from mistreatment at the hands of one who professed a godliness, beyond reproach but in secret were a sniveling hypocrite, devising evil schemes and malice against those who were vulnerable. Through empathy, as I have suffered immensely, so I feel deeply for the suffering of others. The Lord has taught me the meaning of Suffering, not for his pleasure, but for the sake of sorrow... OTHERS' sorrow through my own. I have learned EMPATHY.

In youth, raised under the harsh Jewish laws, I observed keepers of the Day of Atonement. For about 2 decades of my youth, that is 20 years... that is enough time to know, and I saw their annual ungodly ritual, firsthand. What I concluded by observation (what they do) vs. what is written (what they say Atonement is about) is that the ""Holy" Day of Atonement was a day you were made to starve, get sick, suffer in vain, because God must "enjoy" making you suffer. Their god is a sadist, without love. It seems that misery and curses are the only thing that can make their evil god of wrath, "happy". God hates you, right? So he commands you to go without food for one day in the year, from sunset to sunset. For his sadistic kicks, not to bring you into remembrance of the sufferings of others, his children.

They lie. It is they who enjoy crushing the meek under their heel. Their sadism, their narcissistic egocentrism, that it is about themself and their pleasure without a second thought of another human being.
I heard the adults in the congregation speak of their special diets before the fast, their altered lifestyles, devising ways to "beat the suffering" rather than embracing it... to "feel the pain" that might be caused by this tiny, little Day of Atonement. Tis only a day!! Little to nothing of the observance had anything to do with "drawing closer to God" by examining one's empathy with their fellow man. It was ritualistic. Shallow. Completely lacking in spiritual depth. Meaningless. Nothing to do with God, or atoning for one's sins. It had everything to do with their self-serving pursuits of creature comforts. They went hungry and thirsty for 24 hours. It was all in vain because these blinded hypocrites learned nothing and sunset came and went and they happily feasted on their wealth of groceries. They were no wiser to the prayers offered up by the homeless souls ten miles away, on a street corner, perhaps freezing without the benefit of a blanket or a bite to eat. Souls which God does hear... but that same God, does not look favorably on those believers who blindly fasted for 24 hours... as it was not for God, but a vain act, a ritual which they do not understand.

The Day of Atonement, one day of 365, they were suppose to be made to feel the pangs of hunger and thirst, of sorrow that children of God are suffering for days, weeks, months as they sit homeless at the side of the road. The poor souls who are without food to eat. The poorest of the poor. It happens all the time. Turning away. Good sister Sarah cannot trouble herself with giving bread to the homeless, for she must pay for her luxury BMW and would not be caught dead, at the "lower class" side of town working in a homeless shelter. Shunned, as "sub-human" by "good christians". How many Christians would extend a helping hand to ex-cons on parole, to give them employment and forgiveness, the second chance that so many want for themselves? They know nothing of God. These workers of evil, do oppress the widow, do indeed exploit the fatherless and to enter their churches, their religious dogma, would lead others into dismal ignorance and spiritual blindness to be enmity between one's own self and God.

I had an Agnostic recently remark, that he found his own country revolting, as though there is a sickness in their minds... people who will spend so much money on football tickets, but if they see a mother and children on the street corner on their way... they would indeed keep driving, without second thought, and attend to their own pleasure over another person's suffering.

I know the Bible. And such wisdom was not uttered from the "holy lips" of a Christian, but from the lips of an Agnostic, whose heart was in the right place with God's commands. I know where many so-called Christians stand with God, and it is not where they foolishly believe they do.

I know not their gods, nor will I worship them.

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Tonight I am enjoying "The Ten Commandments" with Charleton Heston for probably the 1000th time. I cannot prevent a tear forming in my eye, every time the Red Sea is opened. Or when God speaks to Moses. Even the most ardent non-believer has to be moved, at least somewhat, by the cinematic effects and cheesy drama.

I have been considering this week, a matter of really no concern to me. The question of "Hell" and if it exists. Why, I have every reason to believe (aside of scriptures) to think, we are in the midst of judgment, here and now. This world is filled with many hells, and hell takes many forms.

Few, it seems understand very much at all about their Holy Bible because they do not bother reading it. Just ask them! They defend the Bible as the word of God, yet, have never actually read it. And much less, having faith for the Holy Spirit to reveal the deeper meaning if they did so. They simply regurgitate the creeds and doctrines they were taught since childhood and comfortable in their patent "truth(TM)". They parrot rituals and dogma, without question. They prefer to set under the shadow of the pulpit, a man, instead of the great gift through Jesus Christ, and that supposedly being, God himself teaching them.

A frightening prospect indeed. To face God as your only "teacher" for one may be forced to see themself as they truly are.. their weakness, their faults, their failures, their fallability before the Lord. To have their eyes opened and TRUTH revealed to their mind.

To use one's own brain, to think and question those lies taught to them since childhood may lead to division. Better to be in mother's good graces to continue on in this or that ritual, or be in father's favor by continuing to follow his false religious teachings with those idolatrous relics. Better to follow man's idolatries than follow God! Following Jesus' teachings, to stand alone when all are naysayers to the truth, may put one in a very difficult place. Even the great priesthood accused Jesus to be a consort of Beelzebub, the equivalent of a servent of Satan,

Matthew 10:34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 “For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW;
Matthew 10:36 and A MAN’S ENEMIES WILL BE THE MEMBERS OF HIS HOUSEHOLD.
Matthew 10:37 “He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
Matthew 10:38 “And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.
Matthew 10:39 “He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.

Believers tend to prefer their the pretended mediators between themselves and God. It is comfortable, living under a shroud of lies, deceiving and being deceived. Apparently, Jesus died in vain.

And, I do know many non-believers who by their good deeds, would make by far, finer Christians than those that claim to be one. All they lack, as the ideal example of Christian virtue would be if they had faith in God, that is, aside of all their good works. There are many who will say "But Lord, we prophesied in your name." Yet told, "Depart, I know you not, worker of iniquity."

I have thought and thought this week, while watching "The Tudors" with Jonathan Rhys Meyers... all the heretics, apostates, the wretched persecutions, torture and burnings in the name of God, the bloodshed, the cruel inhumanity dealt by the so-called "faithful" upon their fellow "faithful". Men, seeking to establish himself to bear dominion over other men, in God's name. Isn't that amazing, since afterall, I presumed, it was to be "Man, a free soul under God, and ruled by God alone." Yet, the burning and torture continued unabated for centuries. The so-called Church which Jesus built, continued to splinter into different belief systems, in a great part due to corruption and false teachings, and today, ten thousands of sects and denominations... all the body of Christ? Or rather, could it be "the great falling away" from the original, simple truth, hinted at in the Bible?

The scriptures say, "God shall teach them". Yet, why doesn't God teach them? Why every Sunday do we still turn on televisions and see preachers? Does the scripture not say that knowledge of the Gospel would reach the ends of the Earth, and one would not run neighbor to neighbor to teach them, because they would already know God. Sinners like me who attend no church, and trust in God with faith to reveal through his spirit of truth, to our hearts and minds, his laws, his will, his answered prayers. Those goodly sheep say, those of us who refuse to be lead to slaughter by their shepherds, can not know God. I ask, what power died and made them God, to know the hearts and minds of others... or the authority to judge. Does not the scripture say, "Judge not lest ye be judged?""
Even sometimes, I have seen the power of God working answered prayers through non-believers which I've made acquaintance with. It is my belief, God is omnipotent, and omniscient and dwells in the heart and mind of all mankind, and he knows all of them.. and can move them, even the most ardent Atheist. Where is the faith of the religionists that in spite of the sacrifice Jesus made, they still seek guidance of a man instead of a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, and the one on one audience with the Father in Heaven, the Almighty God, the King of the Universe? All of organized religion still insist that a man and only men shall teach them! The few women who teach, are more in the minority and seldom taken seriously by mainstream religionists. And that mankind remains so contrary to God's commands, comes as no surprise since the Bible itself is a collection of many wretched false priests and their false teachings that sprang up from idolatry, evolved and "made holy" by new false priests of the new order of Christendom. In many ways those old idolatries and superstition still do have their stranglehold over the hearts, minds and souls of modern day christian religionists. It is the wayward way of man.

I thought to myself. Hell.... it does take many forms. The modern day Christian fundamentalist browbeats those who do not accept their personal creeds and doctrines, their denomination. Those who will not follow them are "in danger of eternal damnation" or "in a dangerous place with God." (Funny how God is an all loving God - only love -, until these certain people want to use fear to emotionally cripple and spiritually blackmail prospective converts to do their bidding, entering into spiritual bondage with their religion) When seeking converts, God may become a mean, vindictive, nasty god which torments non-believers eternally. Their gods change on a dime... needless to say, these gods created in their own image.

See how they hate those who do not blindly follow them into their church come Sunday morn. Why, what can those who are not setting in the little Sunday School room inside the little church on 3rd and Main, possibly know about God?? Afterall, they hold the monopoly on the one true truth. They are helping Sister Sarah see the light.
However, if a non-believer of their denomination is assertive that, "I do not believe in your religion," it is the greatest personal offense and blaspheme to that religionist and their gods.

Hell exists. Just ask Mr. Religionist, if he will go sit in mass with Mr. Catholic. Ask Mr. Catholic, to sit through just one sabbath service with Mrs. Messianic Jew. Ask Mr. Jew to sit through services with Mrs. Lutheran, or Mr. Lutheran to sit through a sermon at Mr. Baptist's church.
As they shift and squirm from the preaching of falsehoods, untruths, strange ancient, idolatrous rituals and false teachings of false religion that are uttered from the pulpit in the name of God, then they realize, they are in the pit of Hell.

And yet, they ask non-believers to join them this Sunday. "We would love to have you." I'm sure you would, but no thank you.


Much has been said by Christians how Jesus did away with the Old Testament. How little they do understand about their Bible which they refuse to read, yet have the audacity to hold to the face of non-believers to judge and condemn them.
It is clearly written in Matthew 5:17, "Do not think that I have come to revoke The Written Law or The Prophets; I am not come to revoke but to fulfill."

The preachers have failed to explain to their devoted sheep, Jesus knew the difference between the law of Moses which consisted of over 600 laws vs. the simplicity of God's own 10 commandments, upon which all the mosaic law hinged. Jesus did no such thing to "do away with the commandments of God".

However, Moses was one of the first to do so. His priests pressured the prophets and men who lead the people of Israel... it was they who "did away with the law," not Jesus. Jesus came teaching the commandments of God. It was not his fault the mosaic law had been so corrupted by despotic religionists, that it no longer reflected the commandments of God. Here is how they, priests, preachers, the all-wise learned teachers, "did away with the law,"

Matthew 19:3 Some Pharisees came to Jesus, testing Him and asking, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any reason at all?”
Matthew 19:4 And He answered and said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE,
Matthew 19:5 and said, ‘FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH’?
Matthew 19:6 “So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.”
Matthew 19:7 They said to Him, “Why then did Moses command to GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE AND SEND her AWAY?”
Matthew 19:8 He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way.
Matthew 19:9“And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

Did Jesus "do away with the law and Old Testament?" Indeed no! The hard-hearted followers of Moses, and idolatrous off-shoots of christianity, are they who are solely responsible for "doing away with the laws of God and teachings of Jesus Christ."

As for me, I will not be joining anyone in church this Sunday (which is not, nor ever was the true sabbath but merely a day for idol worshippers to worship the Sun, "the day of the Sun,") to fill my ears with the glorifications of Satan's dominion, and how he rules this world with great power... why, with Satan running to and fro, the almighty God has been reduced to an absentee father, non-existent, unobtainable... a dogma which is much beloved by idolators, who worship that wretched Babylonian myth of Tiamat the Dragon who made war in heaven with Marduk. Inscribed in babylonian monuments, long before the mythology manifest itself in the book of Revelation.

I shall not be in your church, or any other! But the Christian cites his scriptures which were written by mere men, fallable humans, "How shall they learn except a preacher and the assembling of yourselves together?" Do the scriptures not say "They shall be taught by God"? They shall be taught by God! and they shall know the Lord. Did Jesus not warn of the false teachers, whom lead each other like blind men, where they both fall in a ditch? This is why, I will not be in your church on Sunday morning, and probably not Saturday either, for the Kingdom of God is within me. Not in your buildings. Not in your rituals. Not in your uniforms and sacred relics.

As it is written likewise in the Revelation, The remnant who seek God, will honor and keep the commandments of God, and hold the testimony of Jesus Christ. Does your church do that, really?? Keeping the commandments. You will say yes, but I ask you this, "Does your denomination remember the Saturday sabbath, to keep it holy?" Likely, no. Therefore, please keep your little pamphlets. I have a copy of the Bible. I can read it just fine for myself. Jesus is my intermediator. What need have I of your false religion to bring me down deep into hell with you that I should disobey the teachings of Jesus and the commandments of God?

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If educated and reason-minded Christian men of science like Louis Agassiz found it plausible to embrace the concept of a supernatural entity at work in nature, then the possibility is good enough for me.

Science Fact: "The Sun and all the planets were formed at around the same time, depending on when you define the birth of the sun. Before the Sun became as it is today it was a proto sun, which had all the elements it has now but it just had not started the nuclear reaction which fuels today's sun. As the sun started to form from the debris of the dust/particle cloud so did all the planets."
The entire commentary (link).
The Earth is not Young, but the Sun's nuclear reaction, is... based on fossil evidence, a wee 500 million years old.

Astronomers Discover Coldest Star Ever [VIDEO]

Early Earth

But what about Stromatolites and photosynthesis 3.5 billion years ago?

That's covered here in full.

Had there been any sunlight, it would have never reached the surface of the Earth, anyway.

Early Earth

I profess my innocense of the crime of Bibliolatry, however, I am scathed with certain Atheists who've somehow came to the conclusion their deconversion (which soon lead to blasphemous attacks on people of faith and anti-religious tyrades) supposedly equal a one size fits all, "patent truth"(TM), or even worse, a "scientific truth." Only the religious minded are under the delusion they advance their creeds by deception and claims to possess a monopoly on "absolute truths". Not unlike their counterparts Theistic Fundamentalists, who also believe they monopolize some sacred "Truth of Truths"(TM)... yet in my years acquainting both extremes, not much appears to be about an actual search for greater truths, understanding or knowledge. Rather, hatred and bigotry tend to be the motivating factor behind their many senseless squabbles.

Straight from Scripture Commentary:

Trees Before Sunlight
See the King James Hebrew-Greek KeyWord Study Bible, AMG Publishers, 1991 for yet another reprint of this century-old LIE. This EVIL lie has been told and retold by theologians, biblical scholars, preachers and priests to paralyze brains of the religious, so that they may continue unabated generating billions in tithes and donations from the faithful, never again to question the dishonest anti-Darwinist rhetoric, so the church can continue fighting to stamp out truth and enlightenment. These men within the hallowed halls of the establishment of organized religion, just as those priests, the murderers of Jesus, are the enemies of God because "God" can only be found on the side of what is proven to be TRUTH. And I present the truth here vs. their evil lies that have deceived millions.

Prototaxites, A Fossil Fruiting Fungi, 'Tree'
Scientists discovered this fossilized, non-photosynthetic, fruiting "tree," and call it Prototaxites.

They said it couldn't be done, but here it is, thanks to modern science and praise to God for revealing the truth about the fossil record. Still waiting on evangelicals to address this fossil discovery and begin owning up to their wretched LIES and DAMNED LIES for over a century... if it looks, waddles and quacks like a tree... its probably a tree.
    "The various attempts to join together the biblical account of creation and evolution are not supportable by the various gap theories because the order of creation is in direct opposition to the views of modern science (e.g., the creation of trees before light.)"
Source: King James Hebrew-Greek KeyWord Study Bible, AMG Publishers, 1991

Yes, finally, trees exactly as described in Genesis, before, and without sunlight. And no, it's not another lame hoax. (Short) and (Long). See, Prototaxites, Fossilized "Fruiting Fungi," 'Tree'.

Also see Evolution of the Earliest Plant Organisms, specifically the "Fruiting Fungi" which fits an identical description,
1. Has fruit with "seed" (spores) inside itself, and
2. Can survive without sunlight (exactly as described in Genesis). Such organisms would have certainly existed during the Vendian/Precambrian.
3. For a long time, scientists presumed or presume a giant "mystery fungi" was a tree, a conifer, to be precise... and some have now described it as one of the "Fruiting Fungi".

Also, see "Fruit Trees Before Sunlight".

I Challenge All with this Thousand Dollar Question:
Please engage brain and point out where either term, "Create" or "Design," even appear in this text of Genesis?
Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth (tender) grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Genesis 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Still Waiting...

When you Atheists or Fundamentalist Xtian Darwin-haters can squeeze "creation" or "design" out of any of those verses which imply natural selection, let me know.

And yes Atheists... please spare your sermon. Don't preach to the choir. I know all too well what you believe.

Just because people become familiarized with Atheism, hardly means they are so blown away... so mesmerized with "The Truth"(TM) and taken in by a few persuasive argument fallacies that they automatically deconvert and lose faith. That they didn't accept your religion, hardly constitutes a lack of understanding. Perhaps it's just that Atheism is that unappealing. *The Shock* *The Awe* -- how could everyone not see things your way? They're just in denial. (Sound familiar?) Every religious adherent is *in shock* and *in awe* when others do not want to buy into their brand of religion and they fail to convince potential converts. Just as my views might not interest you, well, perhaps I am fully understanding your views and yet, Atheism still remains just that unappealing. Mainly because of the hateful attitudes and blatant lies that often accompany "The Truth"(TM). Any religion that has that extent of negativity in it can't be good for anyone's emotional well-being. Meanwhile, I fully understand why most people will not subscribe to my views. Foremost, it requires a minimal amount of knowledge of several scientific fields of study and secondly, reasoning that requires "thinking outside the box". Lastly, I'm not proposing to have any "One and Only Truth(TM)". Just presenting scientific facts whilst challenging long-held cherished falsehoods as well as faith in people to exercise critical reasoning and make up their own minds, and whatever conclusion people may arrive at is fine with me.

Trees and Plants Before Sunlight
Documentary from "The Soviet Story,"
Jim Jones was a Communist
Eddie Vedder
Stage Name Marilyn Manson
Alice in Chains

The religious establishment and their twisted evil twin, anti-religion baiters said it couldn't be done, yet...

TREES INDEED!

Vegetation, Herbs and Trees Before Sunlight.
Oh well, I guess that dashes arguments of Atheists and Science-Hating fundamentalists to little itsy bitsy pieces.
(and more found here)

Karl Marx Created Adolf Hitler
Darwin's theory did not create Hitler as some have accused, nor did Hitler's Socialism have anything to do with Jesus Christ or Christianity. Besides Eugenics programme in early American history and over 27 states which had sterilization laws on the books before the time of Nazi Germany, Hitler derived his version of Communist ideologue, "National Socialism" directly from the Socialism of Karl Marx, advocate of the most malevolent version of toxic Atheism, and author of The Communist Manifesto which lead to the bloody death toll of at least 100 million in the 20th Century alone and the killing continues ...
See Anti-Communism

For more information on Communism, and the ghastly death tolls:

The Black Book of Communism
Black Book of Communism
Amazon

Harvard University Press
Communist regimes around the globe are responsible for a greater number of deaths than any other political ideal or movement. It takes a brick of a book to provide the crushing scope of this murderous ideology, that killed tens of millions in the 20th Century and that will continue to kill.

And while we're on the subject, let's set the record straight about Jim Jones, another evil, toxic atheist and Marxist-Leninist.
"How could I demonstrate my Marxism? The thought was, infiltrate the church."
- Jim Jones, founder of the murderous "People's Temple," a disgusting Atheist and Marxist degenerate camouflaged under the guise of being "A man of God".
Carried out to the instruction as Marxist Revolutionary Vladimir Lenin, founder of the USSR, stated a necessity to infiltrate the Church, because the religious will '"swallow anything" if it is wrapped in religious terms.'

Hitler, Messiah, Anti-Christ
Like Atheist Stalin, Hitler wages a war against people of all religion.
(See Commentary Link.)

Communists murdered 100 Million over the past century.

Communist party members are Atheists.

And no, sorry, but Joseph Stalin was not a Christian because he attended seminary once and Christianity did not turn him into a butcher. George Bernard Shaw was no Christian either when he openly supported Hitler and mass genocide by gassing.

I’m an atheist and I thank God for it.”
- George Bernard Shaw

Atheists know this doesn't look good when they attempt to convert people to Atheism, and people are aware of the death tolls under Communist regimes so Atheists will do mental cartwheels to conveniently deny history or come up with some other lame twisted argument fallacy to explain away the atrocities committed by Atheists, such as, "Communists worship the state," I suppose therefore they're not Atheists?? Hogwash! Enough of the silly grammar school semantics!! That's not what the Communist Party is saying, Atheists!! To become a member of the Atheist State Religion, ooops, I mean Communist Party, you must be a sworn Atheist. No exceptions!

Darwin was never the problem. ATHEISM was the problem!? No wonder Christians rejected Darwin's theory after people like George Bernard Shaw and Karl Marx latched on to it like the parasites they were!

I believe in the religion of Love which the Prophet Jesus Christ taught.
So, Atheists! Looks like that agenda to convert the world to your religion of atheism has alas backfired. Your hate propaganda has turned people off. People as a whole are still as spiritual as ever, if not more so. Oh, don't delude yourself, people understand very very well what you believe, and I know all too well what you believe with your religion of hate. Whatever side you're on, I'm not there!!!

My favorite Atheist, Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam, whose wonderful song "Jeremy" brought attention to the anguish of kids who deal with school bullies vs. my least favorite

Mr. Brian Warner, aka Marilyn "Who Needs Fred Phelps?" Manson? guilty of regularly bullying and abusing his employees, both physically and mentally. THE VIDEOS ARE DISTURBING. Just "boys being boys"? or more age old ignorance that leads to a society of bullies. Most people have heard about the evil antics, but remain oblivious to the level of inappropriate bullying and ruthless violence even band members apparently have grown weary of.

Saving the best for last.

Sorry 'tis not Atheist that I can tell, but it is Alice in Chains. My favorite band of all time, brazenly questioning religious dogma and rhetoric.

And not to forget my commentary on the meaning of Soundgarden: Black Hole Sun A must read... or at least, a must-listen!