Genesis 1 - Where's the Beef?

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Go to Google Images and type in:

"human tails"

What do you think God will do to people who deny the truth of God? what God himself laid down in the fossil record? Christians deny the simplest truth.

, and would deprive kids of an actual education in the school system? the church doesn't even teach the truth about the Bible (20,000+ sects/denominations) and would be so arrogant as to superimpose their ignorance into Science and Education? denying the empirical all the way.

I don't think so.

Evolution is true. In fact, Genesis 1 speaks of early . . . . . . VEGETARIAN . . . . . man (that's ye old primitive hominids, and Australopithecus, etc), they know from dental structure...

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, ....
bible cc/genesis/1-29.htm

But ... no beef ?? how interesting.

"Where's the Beef?"

( ole Adam arrived late on the scene about a million years after homo sapien and homo erectus and was merely the _FIRST FARMER_ ! As it is written, it doesn't say "there was no man on the face of the earth," rather, it states, "there was no man TO TILL THE GROUND"

Genesis 2:5 and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the ...(it hadn't been created yet... that is, the field itself hadn't been created yet, for lack of farmers), but every plant BEFORE IT GREW... so some plants existed, the ancestors to cabbage, turnips, collards, field peas, while some didn't...Ooooo, oooo, sounds like evolution to me!

"There was not a man to till the ground,. Young's Literal Translation and no shrub of the field is yet in the earth, and no herb of the field yet sprouteth, ...
bible cc/genesis/2-5.htm

Yup, no lettuce, no string beans, sorry... -- these things were cultivated by the first FARMERS around 10,000 years ago. God didn't "create" the Lettuce, man cultivated it. Go check the web for verification: "Agriculture = 10,000 years ago Mesopotamia".

I've provided you enough information, all of it verifiable by science and a handful of honest theologians.

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Can't Tell Who's The Christian and Who's The Atheist Anymore

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I've managed blogs for an Atheist and Agnostic, and sometimes comments roll in. Including some who argue among themselves. There were 3 comments, and earnestly, I'm unsure which was the Christian and which was the Atheist. I'll alter the names to protect the innocent:

******: has left a new comment on your post:
"I would beg to differ with ***** as to why Christianity is suffering from an "image problem" at the start of the 21st century.
The problem... was that as he became more informed about Christianity he began to doubt. He stepped outside of the dogmatic, traditional, "Let's Not Address This Issue Directly" cage and took a good look at what he had been believing, (much like --- hero, Luther, had done at one time) and found it wanting.
Additionally, when he went to those who were supposed to be experts, or at least knowledgeable about such matters, what he was handed was sorely lacking in any form of substance. Compound that with trying to search for his answers in the Bible itself and further not finding them - he turned to outside sources. Most likely the internet. There - of course - he finally found some answers: his faith was based on inconsistencies, myth, plagiarism, historical inaccuracies and in some instances, outright lies. How could he not doubt?"

Why yes... this is true. The church has failed for centuries to teach the truth. In fact, centuries ago falsehoods were circulated, i.e., the Pauline Forgeries, and people like Luther took it upon themselves to attempt translation of a Bible for the common person, and the church wanted to maintain a tight grip on the scriptures, rendering people helpless with the church as intermediator to God... but it was not so. In the midst of this, apocryphal manuscripts circulated... Jesus was the only intermediator between man and God, but the church attempted to superimpose itself into the authority of Jesus Christ.

CONTINUE...

"If --- want to answer him, they would do well to stick with addressing ***** specific problems as opposed to beating the "Here's How I Deal With Stupid Questions" bush. I would submit to ***** that there is a third criteria as a "easily identifiable and telling symptoms of false doctrine": that of obfuscation in answering the intellectual and emotional needs of the fold."

The other person responded, and this person, *****, posted again in response.

"Christians on the whole seem to somehow expect others to take what they have only experienced within the confines of their belief system on faith, for, whether you want to "believe" it or not, there is absolutely no proof that anyone named "Jesus" ever lived."

Testimonies of his existence are preserved in the Bible, and prophecies of the Messiah, but that's beside the point I suppose.

CONTINUE...

"None. Not one shred of evidence - even in the Bible itself - that anyone alive at the time that "Jesus" was supposedly living even ever knew the guy. No scrap of paper, no golden tablet, no stone inscriptions, no burial chamber, no cross, no first-source material (and there certainly seems to be a lot of copies of copies of copies, but not one original torn corner of a papyrus that even indicates that anyone ever knew him), not even any relatives left to give any account of him a generation after the fact! Nothing. Nada. Zip. Pilate: silent. The Sanhedrin: silent. The Romans: silent. On and on and on and on - you'd think that a guy who apparently raised somebody from the dead, fed a multitude on a couple of haddock and shards of bread, turned H20 into Pinot Griggio, got nailed to a cross, died and then came back might have made some form of impression on people. Nope. No one even noticed him apparently amongst the multitudes of other "prophets" of that time.
Not until 70 years later did he even actually start to appear in any meaningful manner, and even then, it doesn't appear that that guy even ever might have known him - just "of him", as it were."

INTERMISSION : Actually it's estimated to have been around 30 years after the death of Jesus, that recorded testimonies came into publication. But continue...

"No, there's nothing "selfish" about questioning the veracity of
Christianity. If anything, I'd say that was a noble endeavor. It is not "egocentric" to want to know - it is the mark of a "God-like" human to seek this so-called "God" out wherever "He" may be, wherever it may lead. It is not selfish or egocentric to admit you don't know something and wish to - it is selfish and egocentric to believe you have the answers when in fact, you don't.

"God or Intelligence: one has to give. One will quench the soul's thirst and the other will be like drinking salt water in the desert."

When Intelligence gives, Ignorance takes over. One could probably bank on that."

And the other person, who posted in the midst of the two comments wrote this,

###### has left a new comment on your post":
"The first problem of doubt stems from the human condition of selfishness, as articulated with "the doubter finds the Christian faith wanting", "the doubter finds God lacking", and "the doubter finds himself need or requiring to know X or Y".
We are an egocentric lot that will forever clash against a God who asks for trust and faith.
God or Intelligence: one has to give. One will quench the soul's thirst and the other will be like drinking salt water in the desert."

God or Intelligence: One has to give??

Am I reading this correctly? One person is denying the existence of God, whilst the other is teaching the falsehood that one must become "ignorant" to be a Christian??

Both appear to be Atheists (or at least, the latter, a Sheep in Wolf Clothing).

Actual scripture states in contrast: King James Bible (Hosea 4:6-9)
"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. The more the priests increased, the more they sinned against me; they exchanged their Glory for something disgraceful. They feed on the sins of my people and relish their wickedness. And there shall be, like people, like priest: and I will punish them for their ways, and reward them their doings."

Which also brings to mind the very insightful verse, in regard to what the former (presuming, an Atheist(?) stated, which is truly sad:

"He stepped outside of the dogmatic, traditional, "Let's Not Address This Issue Directly" cage and took a good look at what he had been believing... those who were supposed to be experts, or at least knowledgeable about such matters, what he was handed was sorely lacking in any form of substance."

INDEED! as it is written,

Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much grief; and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow."
http://bible.cc/ecclesiastes/1-18.htm, as it was in Jesus' day, he came teaching the Commandments of God (not the law of Moses), but God's law, and for doing so, the corrupt religious establishment murdered him.

And further, indeed: International Standard Version (©2008)
"How terrible it will be for you when everyone says nice things about you, because that's the way their ancestors used to treat the false prophets!"
http://bible.cc/luke/6-26.htm

And yes, if you speak the truth... it will make many enemies, and persecution, which equates to sorrow. The religious establishment (organized religion), the same who murdered Jesus, will turn into a witch-hunt against the righteous, which lead to the Inquisitions and other atrocities against many Saints: Those who keep the Commandments of God, and hold to the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Either way, both contributors failed to contribute any positive light, enlightenment on Christianity, and appear to be on the same side: To make a war on the Truth of God, and Jesus Christ.

There was no Commandment among the 10 which stated, "Thou Shall Not Utilize Thy Brain." But some who claim to be Christian, do indeed teach the false doctrine, and often practice it as well.

King James Bible
Jeremiah 31:34 (Old Testament Prophet): "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

Hebrews 10: "Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more... By his death, Jesus opened a new and life-giving way through the curtain into the Most Holy Place. And having an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water."

So who is this entity, called the Church (the lie of Organized Religion which Jesus stood against, and was murdered), which with-holds knowledge, teaches falsehoods, endorses scriptural forgeries, pretends you must go through "them," flawed men, to obtain audience with God... what else was the purpose of Jesus' death and sacrifice? So that greedy preachers and televangelists could store up millions in their bank accounts? Men are unfit to teach the truth!. The corrupt and wicked priesthood who taught idolatry, lead to the destruction of Israel and Judah. When Jesus took his stand against them, they murdered the Lord. God alone has the power, the patience, the knowledge, (the Spirit of TRUTH, through grace in Jesus Christ that we may come into the presence of God, and will be taught by God), who are these persons who have usurped the authority of Jesus Christ himself, to teach falsehoods?

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The Lie of Organized Religion

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Did not Jesus teach,

The false teachers mentioned above, and the many like them (2 Timothy 4:3)
"And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch."
atruechurch info

Blind Followers of Blind Leaders on Judgment Day
Our Lord, here, is talking about false teachers who are blind to God's ...
that if the blind lead the blind both shall fall into the ditch"
(Matthew 25:41). ...
emorychristians org

God's View of False Teachers and Their Teachings Discernment
All of the false prophets, false teachers, false brethren and false ...
And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
discernmentministriesinternational wordpress com/.../gods-view-of-false-teachers-their-teachings

Christians, you know these things already! Scripture has taught you.

During conversation with a Christian it was said to me,

The scripture states, "how will they hear without a preacher?... But with fellowship with other believers comes the ability to grow in knowledge and faith."

But what happens if they are teaching something that is not true... a falsehood, even Theologians know certain things, taught in seminary, and knowledge never passes on to the typical adherent. The preachers are not allowed to speak the truth.

In 2000, I converted to Christianity for the first time in my life. I felt a strong spiritual force, I was compelled to seek deeper knowledge. Believe it or not, I asked the Sunday School teacher, "Have you ever read the Bible?" His reply was "No". I asked then, "Well then, how do you know its the Word of God?" He was angered no doubt. I asked him "Where does the Bible come from?" He had no answer.

It is scenerios just like I've described above, that lead to people losing faith, deconversion to Atheism, and the complaint is always the same, "I asked where Mrs. Cain came from. They complained I asked too many questions and asked me not to come back." Is this what Jesus would do? Does it hint at even an inkling of a clue, they are even capable of teach scripture? Certainly not.

Today, I know the answers to those questions above, and it was not learned from the church, but from scholars' materials / books.

Back in 2000, I approached the preacher, and asked, because Sunday School just wasn't cutting it how I might learn more -- indepth knowledge. The preacher told me, "Christian Book Distributors," for starters on scholars studies, books by theologians, etc., but he warned me. HE WARNED ME well in advance, that it would pay not to discuss knowledge with many in the church, they would not take kindly to it.

Well, in short, he, the preacher, was fired shortly afterward for becoming too "liberal," that is to say, providing a bit more upbeat music to appeal to younger generation.

And myself? I did indeed discuss the hunger for knowledge, and it got me accused as being "demon possessed".

The Power of God is compelling a person to seek knowledge, and they're accused of "Demons"? Isn't that what they accused Jesus of... and Jesus warned them they were in danger of committing the unpardonable sin? That is, they were calling the Holy Spirit of God performing works in this world, "an act of evil spirits". Great blaspheme.

Instead of the "body of Christ" it turned into a witch-hunt... even the preacher was not immune, and was fired.

The question is, how can they hear the truth, if the preacher is not even allowed to even speak, or teach the truth anymore?

So, I disassociated myself with the falsehoods of the church, and put it on Jesus Christ, the power of God, and reference material like that from Christian Book Distributors... and eventually the web, and other sources. BOOKS TAUGHT ME THE TRUTH, UNDER GOD'S GUIDANCE. Today, the way things worked out, event by event, I have my own outreach with the truth. Thousands of readers pass through every week...

Speaking the truth sometimes makes enemies. Sometimes, it changes the world. I mean, Jesus was so hated by contemporaries of the day, they murdered him, but others know, he was by birthrite, the "King of Kings".

I pray for God to show me the light of truth, and that I will never depart from it. I have faith, that God, through grace in Jesus Christ (my only teacher) will guide the way.

I believe in what you say is true and always will, because my own background with the church. I do believe that the one true teacher Jesus Christ will guide all that have faith, even if one does not tend church. I myself will not go, for the simple reason of the lies they tell. I have also done my own share of reading and found that there were other books that was never printed into the Bible as we know it. But God showed them to me so I could understand more about Him and Jesus.

Oh no.. .the Apocrypha??

They're falsehoods. Seriously, another is "The Book of Enoch" which even Jude quotes in the N.T. False teachers created those forgeries, and wanted to teach people the worship of pagan gods and fictional spirits.

Those books were thrown out of the Bible because they're forgeries and scholars know it. Enoch was mythology / a false book, FORGED to make it even sound as if it was written around the time of Adam's immediate descendents, (centuries earlier), but Scholars know the mythology is late century... written only shortly before the time of Jesus. Scholars know the book of Enoch was a forgery, a mythological falsehood... that's why those books are not contained in the Bible. Thrown out for the evil forgeries they were.

I too, have copies of the Apocrypha "Lost Books of the Bible," and the book of Enoch.

God INDEED showed you a deeper truth about the Bible, that in the latter days of Israel, they were idolators, even Solomon, the fool of fools, an adulterer, erected temples to pagan gods, in his last days he met with his downfall and (some have stated) lived like a beast...

Solomon
Solomon's downfall came in his old age. He had taken many foreign wives, whom he allowed to worship other gods. He even built shrines for the sacrifices of ...
~ jewishvirtuallibrary org/jsource/.../Solomon.html

FOR INSTANCE,

Gods and Goddesses, Pagan - dictionary definition, verses and Bible references ... The proclamation was to be made in the temples of their idols and among the people ... who "cleaned house" by destroying the shrines erected by Solomon. ...
~ biblestudytools com/.../gods-and-goddesses-pagan.html

Milton: PL Book 1 - Notes
That is, the strength of empyreal angels, virtually gods. .... The place just east of the Jerusalem temple, across the Kidron valley, often called the Mount of Olives, where Solomon erected shrines to pagan dieties like Moloch, Baal, ...
~ dartmouth edu/~milton/reading_room/.../notes.shtml

See 666 and Solomon
http://www.scribd.com/doc/6693982/666-and-Solomon

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The Mosaic Law vs. The Ten Commandments - The Power of God's Spirit in Truth and Holiness

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Tonight I saw evidence of the power of God's Holy Spirit. My son is setting in the backseat of the car, and blurts out he wants to learn the Ten Commandments, from the Bible.
Sure enough, he got home and cracked open his Bible, found the scriptures himself, and began reading them. He comprehends the meaning of the Commandments...
It's written in Scripture, through Jesus Christ, they will be taught by God (in the book of Hebrews).

I can not teach him. and, The religious establishment can not teach him (as it was in Jesus' day, when Jesus came teaching the Commandments of God in contrast to the law of Moses (613 Commandments! - ridiculous), was as Jesus put it about their traditions, having made the commandments of God of "no effect".
For instance, Moses, being a man, and having no regard for the interests of women, re-wrote the law to permit divorce (in the interest of males), but Jesus rebuked them saying it was not so from the beginning and further teaching those men, not to even look at another woman or be guilty of adultery.

As you may gather, I do not attend a church. I trust in God to teach me. Occasionally God will use a person, to deliver a truth, but ultimately Jesus is the only "teacher" I need (his testimony), and God's Holy Spirit.

I was so proud of my son. The religious establishment (a lie even relatives will preach at me), "You can't understand the Bible without a preacher." ha ha ha, that's a lie, and is in contradiction of the very reason Jesus died.
The wicked priesthood of the day, had lead the people into sin, and away from God. Most theologians know the significance of the torn veil on the temple at the time of the death of Jesus, (it was an act of divinity due to its size and weight). A giant rip in the veil, which could have only been done by the power of God, and beyond the ability of a human. Ripped from top to bottom. That torn veil meant that any human could then come into the presence of God's Holy Spirit. Before that time, only the High Priest could on the highest holy day. They wore bells on their garments in case they were struck dead (God searching the Priest's heart and mind for impurity). If the bells stopped ringing, there was a rope on the priest to drag him out from behind the veil.

Therefore, it is no small matter to be taken lightly, that any person is even allowed the great liberty, freedom and privelege that we have as true Christians, to enter into the presence of God, and taught personally by God in the precious spirit of truth.

Also, even as a sinner, I can enter into the presence of God, without fear -- in fact, as Jesus taught, the Kingdom of God is within... not here or there, not at a church that sits on a hill, not in Jerusalem: The Kingdom of God, where God's chosen obey the Commandments of God, and are sanctified as a "Holy People," it is within, and the promise to write his Ten Commandments on the heart and mind.

I'm not meaning to sound fanatic religious... but I find the subject of theology of great fascination. When I look at the church, I am sorely disillusioned that they are no longer teaching the truth. But, it was written there would come a "great falling away". As it was in the day of Moses...God told them "Do not commit adultery," and some men up and decided, "well... hmmm, I want to commit adultery... the woman I'm with isn't exciting enough anymore... I need some thrills."
So, bit by bit, piece by piece, they began falling away from the Commandments, one sin at a time. By the time Jesus arrived, centuries later, the corrupt Priesthood didn't even recognize the Commandments of God anymore.

There's Christians telling me Jesus did away with the Word of God. LOL. Sure... save it for God on the day of Judgment. Those Christians have no knowledge of the distinction between,

1. Ten Commandments of God vs.
   
2. Mosaic Law (613 silly man-made cultural laws devised by Moses and the Hebrew people, i.e., if a woman doesn't bleed on her wedding night -- stone her brains out).

Anyway, I was so pleased to see the power of God's spirit move in my young son, to pick up the Bible on his own, proceed to find the scriptures in Exodus, and read it himself -- it was God teaching him. I was... amazed.

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Genesis and the Fossil Record

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I have looked up the term "plant" in Strong's Concordance.
The first time that Hebrew term for "plant" appears, is in Genesis 2:5 and distinguishes "herbs" from "plants".

Medical Toxicology of Natural Substances.
Foods, Fungi, Medicinal ... Apr 8, 2009 ... Toxicology of Natural Substances—Foods, Fungi,. Medicinal Herbs, Plants, and Venomous Animals, by Donald G. Barceloux, efficiently fills ...
doi wiley com/10.1002/anie.200902139

So I'm to assume the Hebrew terms distinguish "plants" as quite different from "herbs". In Science, herbs are defined as a vegetation with medicinal characteristics.

What is interesting here, is the fossil record establishes true "plants" did not exist in the earliest fossil record. They were a latter introduction into the fossil record. "Plant" is not mentioned in Genesis 1:11. I tend to rely on the King James version. Other translations appear to be prejudiced, (interpreting the Hebrew without any comprehension of the fossil record).

This small point, too, correlates within the time frame /fossil record.

King James Bible (Genesis 1:11)
And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

vs.

King James Bible (Genesis 2:5)
And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

I stand by the opening chapters of the Bible as being in beautiful harmony with Science, however, as the Hebrew people fell away from the Commandments, from truth (God and the Prophets rebuked the Hebrews continually until the day God destroyed Israel), taken captive with no remembrance of them, while Judah was scattered among the nations and known by name only), as they fell farther and farther from grace -- I'm not surprised if they fell to a state of darkness and ignorance.

Would God share science, or any knowledge, with a people who refused to obey the simple Ten Commandments? Therefore if the latter books are riddled with superstition and ignorance, I am not amazed. God closed off the Bible (the book of Revelation), with the mythology they worshiped and loved so dearly.

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Observations of Science and Introduction of Agriculture Genesis 2:5

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New American Standard:
"Now no shrub of the field was yet in the earth, and no plant of the field had yet sprouted, for the LORD God had *not sent rain upon the earth, and there was no man to cultivate the ground."

(And as I've explained, * there are some regions on Earth which do not see a drop of rain for months, possibly years, if never.) Some former-oceanic terrain, is over geologic time, turned to dry desert. Dr. Philip Gingerich is one of the first to testify of "whales" found in "The Desert," Science Fiction? No, science fact:

"Forty million years ago a vast area of the northern part of the Egyptian Western Desert was nothing but a sea. The whole of Fayoum was submerged; it was part of the Tethys Sea. In reality, Tethys Sea was so enormously big that some scholars call it Tethys Ocean rather than sea. When it finally receded, it formed what we know today as the Aral, Caspian and Black seas. In its bluish- green water dwelled creatures that evolved and survived or did not and became extinct. One of the biggest inhabitants of the ancient sea was Zeuglodon, the famous whale of Fayoum."
~ http://arabenvironment.net/archive/2007/4/205266.html

It seems so difficult for some to explain the context for "After Their Kind," but Genesis uses the same Evolutionary Terms, as in "Every Plant of the Field Before it grew" and "Every Herb of the Field Before It," is translated by others as saying, "No plant in the field had sprouted" ... as in THEY HAD NOT EVOLVED YET, for, there was not a man with skills in Agriculture.

King James Bible:
"And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground."

Lettuce History
Lettuce probably evolved from a wild species which is still extant called Lactuca serriola. It is very bitter. The Ancient Egyptians grew Lettuce..."
www.practicallyedible.com/edible.nsf/Pages/lettuce

Lactuca serriola, the ancestor of lettuce.

There were many nomadic humans, but no farmers.

The primitive man of Epoch Six was given what to eat?
"...I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."

But no cabbage, no broccoli, no cauliflower...
Early hominids and primitive man, were vegetarian, and lived nomadically gathering fruits, edible roots, leafs. It does not mention anything of Lettuce, Tomatos, String Beans and all the foods which modern man has cultivated.

Take a look at the conclusion of Science, and the typical dogmatic Atheist who latches on without any knowledge of Biblical text. A poignant observation, but too little, too late, because Genesis was stating the very same thing, thousands of years ago :

"...There is not a third-rate intelligence on earth that could not, after ten minutes' contemplation, devise a better scheme of things. Man's life is largely consumed in improving his surroundings and adjusting the blunders of nature. Daily, hourly, he must employ his wits to untangle the snares of unthinking nature. It would take an intelligence below the level of a moron to carry on evolutionary processes as commonly observed. It has taken evolution, unguided by intelligence, countless ages to develop the simple, unattractive flower known as the wild rose. Evolution, with man's intelligence behind it, has, in a relatively short period of time, changed this simple flower, by artificial selection, into the glorious, multi-petalled American Beauty. That was intelligence behind evolution. Man has not only produced new species of flowers from wayside weeds, but given scent to odorless lilies and eliminated the thorns from raspberry and blackberry bushes. He has been able to evolve a spineless cactus, which, breeding true, now furnishes the desert with food for cattle. He has, by applying his intelligence to evolution, done in a short period of time that which evolution might have accomplished only after millions of years - or never at all. He has speeded up those processes which, under natural evolution, drag along hopelessly or reach an ultimate utility only after thousands of failures and unfavorable adaptations."
From "Evolution Implies Atheism"
"Essays of an Atheist", The Truth Seeker, 1945 by Woolsey Teller

Genesis is Evidence for Science

That's right. Thousands of years before Science, a "Holy" source was documenting the same things about how man cultivated modern food...
But Atheists(Anti-Theists) will deny truth because they hate truth. Creationists will deny what's written in Genesis, because they hate Science. But its in the Bible.
As Gandhi said, a truth is a truth, even if you're a minority of One... as in One, God. And both extremist factions will deny what's spelled out in black and white text, out of stubborn arrogance (oh how awful, Genesis beat science to the discovery) and the other, vain, arrogant, pride (because they were wrong, and they know they're wrong).
When man tries to deny the truth of God, or tries to usurp God's authority... well, (also Gandhi said) the only devils we need to fear, are the ones running around in our own hearts.

It seems so difficult for some to explain the context for "Earth brought forth herbs... After Their Kind," and "Waters brought forth creatures.. after their kind," but Genesis uses the same Evolutionary Terms, as in "Every Plant of the Field Before it grew" and "Every Herb of the Field Before It," is translated by others as saying, "No plant in the field had sprouted" ... as in THEY HAD NOT EVOLVED YET, for, there was not a man with knowledge of Agriculture, to cultivate farming.

Farming became tradition, with the introduction of Agriculture in Mesopotamia, and the skills spread throughout the ancient world. In other words, though God may have had a "hands off policy" for much of the account in Genesis 1 (commanding the Earth and Waters to bring forth...) IT WAS MAN who actually "created" these foods.

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Archaeological and Geological Evidence for Biblical Flood in Mesopotamia Was A Localized Flood And Theologians Knew This Already

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The denial of Science by anti-Theists must end.

I'm providing copies of documentation for the following,

Evidence that theologians are very well aware of scientific criticism raised in regard to a "worldwide flood" and problems with all species on earth on a single boat, among other issues.

The actual interpretation of the original Hebrew which meant "localized" flood.

Scientists who theorize the Black Sea (brackish water) may itself have been the result of a catastrophic flood in the same region. A great flood of historic proportions that was immortalized into remembrance, through ancient mythology.

Geological evidence of a massive flood like that described in Genesis, but only exists in the region of Mesopotamia, where the book of Genesis was recorded.

Other scriptural evidence that supports what Dr. Geisler has proposed below, for the Hebrew term implying a "localized" flood

HEBREW TEXT EVIDENCE
namely, Genesis 10:2 (speaks of Japheth and descendents, spreading outward after the flood): "The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras... By these were the *isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

*Both Atheists and Fundamentalists are guilty of perpetually evading this question in their attempts to status quo the heck out of a "worldwide flood," perhaps in hope to discredit Genesis, but the question will not go away: Just whom does "isles of the Gentiles," refer to, and whom were these Gentiles who survived the flood?

The text clearly implies the sons of Japheth divide the land of the Gentiles, according to their tongues. So, the whole earth was not of the "same language".

Yet, in the very next chapter, Genesis 11, we see the opening verse (in supposed contradiction with Genesis 10?)
Genesis 11:1 "And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech."

It can not be both. Needless to say, it is not both.
Skeptics might wish this faulty interpretation be perpetually propagated in their sole aim to nullify Genesis). But Dr. Geisler definitively points out, the Hebrew usage is referring to the immediate, localized region.

According to http://www.bible-history.com/isbe/I/ISLES+OF+THE+GENTILES/

"...the American Standard Revised Version "isles (margin "coast-lands") of the nations," said of the territories of the sons of Japheth. The reference is to the coasts of the Western Mediterranean, with their islands (compare "isles of the sea," Est 10:1; Ezek 26:18, etc.).

Take a look at the location of "Western Meditteranean" in contrast to the location of Mesopotamia, where actual geological evidence exists for a massive local flood. Therefore, it can be deduced the Noachian flood never actually reached the Western Meditteranean and the "Gentiles" spoken of in Genesis 10, did survive the flood.


SCRIPTURAL CRITICISM
Another item to consider is from "Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics," by Dr. Norman Geisler. Skeptics really should stop pretending they have discovered a cutting-edge line of questions to overturn theology. Dr. Geisler's commentary is ample evidence the issues have been considered long before now, by himself and other credible theologians. Whether or not the church at large is teaching these truths to mainstream Christians is another story.


Flood, Noah, Pg. 258
Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics, Dr. Norman Geisler
Fourth Edition, ©1999

Christians are usually the last to be taught facts about these matters by the corrupt religious establishment, who seem to feel truth is on a "need to know" basis. Therefore I'll provide the information Pro Bono.

Note: As it were back in the dark ages of the Catholic Church's height of power, depriving the common person access to the scriptures.. at threat of death some men like Tyndall, Wycliffe, Luther and others took it upon themselves to translate and make accessible, scripture, for the common person.
How sad, with history showing brave men who sometimes suffered the fate of death for this "heresy," most Christians today, don't even read their Bibles. Was the sacrifice in vain, or is it rather that the church is guilty of convincing adherents they lack the ability to properly understand scriptures without an establishment intermediator from organized religion?
Did Jesus Christ die in vain, or is not Jesus the only intermediator between a person and God? They will be taught by God! When Christians depend on men to teach, the blind lead the blind and they both fall in the ditch.
But that's only my opinion, after becoming saved, actually reading the scriptures... and God's promise to reveal the truth to those who ask, so what could I possibly know?

Flood, Noah, Pg. 258
Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics, Dr. Norman Geisler
Fourth Edition, ©1999

So why do Darwinists and Agnostics and Atheists continue to pretend these issues were never raised and acknowledged by Christian theologians? Evade as they may, this publication is dated 1999, at least a decade since its publication! Yet the same outdated arguments will continue to churn from the Darwinist side, who are perpetually in denial of the more reasonable explanations already offered by leading theologians. In my personal experience with Darwinists (those certain Agnostics who seek to shed doubts on Scripture in hopes of winning over prospective converts to Atheism) share a preference for false, misleading and outdated information, sticking with status quo controversies such as 200 year old outdated beliefs; flat earth, geocentrism and other beliefs that the majority of Christians wouldn't even have known existed... and by making arguments against such things, one may be lead to presume Christians are "less intelligent," than an Atheist, or other Ad Hominems. Dishonesty seems to be the Atheists' preferred Modus Operandi over solid, honest debate as in addressing the full spectrum of the issue, instead of perpetually cherry-picking what may be distorted to make one's side seem more "intellectual." But of course, it boils down to nothing more than intellectual dishonesty, in hopes of creating the illusion they (the Atheist) hold the monopoly on scientific truths. Doesn't every religion claim to hold the monopoly on the one true, "absolute truth"? Atheism is no different than any other religion.



The side that stands with TRUTH doesn't need to use lies, to win support... the truth stands on its own. The purpose however is more along the lines of deceitful propaganda, to create a false impression that no original thought ever enters the brain of a Christian. Character assasination, in contrast to the "intellectual, scientific discourse" they are so famed for boasting to adhere to.

BLACK SEA FORMATION THEORY

http://www.natgeochannel.co.uk/Programmes/Schedule.aspx?Id=678
National Geographic produced a special on the question of the formation of the Black Sea. This theory was proposed by two scientists who were veterans in geology and question if ancient mythologies may possibly hint at the flood described in Genesis, devastating enough to form the Black Sea.

Robert Ballard, the man who found the Titanic, ventures beneath the 'dead zone' in the Black Sea. Will he discover clues about one of the most dramatic events in the Bible?

MESOPOTAMIAN ARCHAEOLOGY AND GEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE




Reference: January 1930, National Geographic Magazine, Page 118-120

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Tooth and Claw: Death Before the Fall

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Why Does God Allow Suffering?
No death entered the world, until the "fall of man"? (So some fundamentalist denominations teach.)
What verse in Genesis supports that doctrine, that animals began killing and dying just because man disobeyed God? It states the snake will eat dirt, and snakes do indeed, every time they stalk prey and roll around in the dust, asphyxiating their victim, which they consume whole, bloody mud and all... but what verse states God commanded animals to eat other animals, and death as a curse on all animal kinds? The world we live in with its violence of tooth and claw, is loaded with evidence for the answers we seek to questions about God and Nature. The fossil record tells in contrast that omnivores and carnivores have always had teeth designed to rip prey to pieces... long before man was created. The question is, do you want to live in this kind of world? Or is there a better way to live? The Bible speaks of a new heaven and earth, and the lion laying down next to a lamb...

Our Cats Kill a Mouse and Bird, Part 1




It is so sad, when I discovered Miss Silky killed a bird.

Non-Believers ask if God cares about suffering and death?
I had a sneaky suspicion all evening, it would be, a Sparrow... a White-throated sparrow, (Zonotrichia albicollis.)

"Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered."
Matthew 10:29-30

The mouse, well... if they didn't spread pestilence, it would be another story.



Our Cats Kill a Mouse and Bird, Part 2


Death was already in the world. The "Sons of God" (Genesis 6:4), modern man, (father of Agriculture) had their chance at immorality, had Adam only obeyed God's command to abstain from the forbidden fruit (Genesis 2:16-17) and sustain their life by eating of the "tree of life." (Genesis 2:9 and Genesis 3:22). Man was cut off from the fountain of their immortality, the tree of life,

"And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."
~ Genesis 3:22

They were driven out, and then, inevitably fated to die.

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A Creationist Speaks : Keep Creation Science Out of the Classroom

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What I've been waiting for.‏

Somebody who understands science (a positive). A big postive.

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Very weird feeling... extreme weird. After years of being in the middle of fighting "Creation Science," here I find myself promoting it. The only exception is, I'm basing the interpretation on *literal Genesis* and actual science... aligning the two.

Somebody from Troutville, Virginia... the first person I've found with a specific search string related to what I've proposed for explaining the text of Genesis Chapter One. Somebody who maybe does understand the significance of "Cambrian Explosion". It would be nice.

I am not underestimating or overestimating the significance of the Cambrian Explosion, just as Darwin himself made an ordeal over it, grieved until he went to his grave... incapable of explaining the phenomena in the fossil record. It's got to be the greatest mystery, perplexing scientists worldwide to this day.

Sort of leaves me with a sick feeling though, after seeing all the damage (my entire life) personally victimized by ignorance the church taught. They taught me in my youth, the earth was only around 6,000 or 10,000 years old, and made to look like a numbwit when discussing European history with a pagan, back in 1991. First "debate" I'd ever been in with anyone. I'd never acquainted anyone who believed in Evolution, until that day. He said the European people had lived in Europe around 30,000+ years. I thought he was nuts... I wrote an organization I trusted for verification, and they sent Xerox of an article showing a "Venus" from Vienna, dated around 32,000 -- a male human, with a lion's head.

Here is that very article, which caused me to lose belief in a Young Earth Creation to a believer in Human Evolution. (Although, in 1991 I was far from having any real understanding of the fossil record.) It comes from National Geographic, October 1988, "The Search for Modern Humans"



In his correspondence, which consisted of snail-mail at that time, the man claimed the eldest known "Venus" was a female idol dating 30,000 years. I realized, he was wrong from what the article said... aye! victory.... it was 1) Male and 2) Older than his date, but, oooo, I learned at the same time that ancient people did indeed exist since tens of thousands of years ago -- and my faith in organized religion was shot down. I was already having doubts in 1991 and had dropped from the church.

Upon reading the article and realizing I had been prevented from trusting the school system / science, lending to darkness and ignorance, helped lead to packing away the Bible and forgetting it, rejecting it, as a book of myths.

Even now, having re-embraced Christianity fully and with all that I know of faith, and science included... I would stake everything that the full record of Paleontology can be aligned with the book of Genesis, however I would never want to see "Creation Science" taught in schools! Mainly, because mankind is not fit to teach even the Bible. Only God is fit to reveal truths, to the willing and open mind that trusts in Him. The scriptures say, "They will be taught by God."

"It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me."
~ John 6:45

"For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest."
~ Hebrews 8:10-11

"And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you."
~ Luke 11:9

Let them debate Genesis, until the cows come home... but keep it out of the class room (that includes Atheists and their revolting war on faith). So many people have been mis-educated about science, thanks to organized religion and its opponents who don't know Exegesis of the Bible, from a hole in the ground.

Therefore, thanks to that very ignorance, the last total I read, reveals a whopping statistic of something like Christianity branching into 20,000+ sects and denominations and they can not even agree among themselves.. above all, afraid to teach the truth about the simplest of things -- a great falling away has resulted because of the failure of the Church! But would be so bold as to propose over-taking education? God is not the author of confusion. Man is the author of the confusion.

One body in Christ Jesus? Nobody is teaching the truth anymore... either they don't know the truth, or they're too afraid to teach it to the masses. Seriously, why is it I can purchase scholars texts and critical commentaries like some on my book shelves, i.e., "Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics," written by Dr. Norman Geisler, and even in his conservative rationale he is allowed to say in the book that the Hebrew word being used regarding the flood can imply a "localized flood" and all geological evidence confirms a "worldwide flood" is impossible, yet, the typical preacher tells an entirely different version to the people who sit in the pews every Sunday.
Being associated with an Agnostic / Anti-Theist / Evolutionist for a number of years now... I've been seeing, first-hand (being in the midst of Skeptic circles; Atheists and Agnostics), what results when organized religion relies on man's ignorance to interpret scripture: People drop out and become foam at the mouth Atheists and Agnostics, and other enemies to Christ. You can blame the church itself, for this. Thier refusal to teach the truth, including the unpopular truths, is completely to blame. Believers are not equipped to deal with questions, nor are they prepared to face some of the simplest tests of their faith, such as discrepancies in scripture. Once the average pew-sitter becomes aware of some of the smallest issues, which are normal questions faced by theologians every day, the delusion of inerrancy is shattered, and sometimes, that person may even receive the big "please don't come back," brush off when they ask too many questions, which leads to alienation and quite possibly becoming another typical Atheist with the typical story of becoming a "former fundamentalist". The church has failed them! So the bitterness of Anti-Theists is no real surprise.

My first loss of belief was in the church I was raised and groomed in (The Worldwide Church of God).. completely fundamentalist, and alongside attacks on science, it steadily waged a war of slander against Christianity itself. The WWCG was strict and legalistic in Orthodox laws, very much like Judaism in many ways. In 1991, when I began to see the cult fall apart following the death of the founder, and after a lifetime of being taught "this is the one true truth," my delusion about a "one true religion," and blindly following a man, was shattered. I felt like the fabric of my entire world had been pulled from my feet... I woke up and realized, you can not trust a church... nothing is forever.

Then, I prayed for God to reveal the truth to me himself. What happened instead, was an "answered prayer," and a rather rude awakening when my brother (who had since became Atheist) up and decided to trek all the way from California (1993) and set down a stack of Atheist literature in front of me, challenging me to read it if I had an open mind. There, I learned things the church never told me.

And you know what? The atheists weren't lying... it didn't take much -- just reading scriptures themselves. Taught since birth, "The Bible has no errors or contradictions." But that book, the Bible Handbook (Atheist book) challenged me to open my own Bible, and compare various scriptures. I challenge any Christian to do the same, but keep in mind, to pray for God to reveal the explanation to you. Remain faithful, because it may take years of study, before you are lead to a full understanding. Be my guest, but such Atheist literature is drawing straight from the Bible itself to deceive people and lead them from the church, and the body of the Anti-Christ is growing, because the Church has failed to teach the truth. They fear to teach the truth. The adherents of Christianity have put their faith into too many Jimmy Swaggarts, Ted Haggards and Jim Bakkers, instead of relying totally on faith in Jesus Christ and calling out to God himself to teach them. Therefore, the Church has became weakened and has failed, with a great falling away from truth, that began, even many centuries ago.

I did just that... I was not afraid to confront a truth, and believed I was strong enough in faith to take on anything! I was mislead by the Church. I did not have the knowledge to read and understand scriptures. I would go as far as to say, the Church had convinced me that I was incapable of reading scriptures and understanding without a preacher interpreting for me, when that false doctrine itself (taught by wicked men who sought to have power over the masses) contradicts the teachings of Jesus and the prophets!

"It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me."
~ John 6:45

"For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest."
~ Hebrews 8:10-11

"And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you."
~ Luke 11:9

I read the verses, and compared them from my own Bible and gained a knowledge I had never knew. I read until the sun rose, I was speechless. I resented my Atheist brother for showing me the truth, but... I remember that sick feeling, he was right and I speechless, thinking "I don't want to discuss."

I became an Atheist for about 2 minutes... then remembered an apparition me and a friend saw years before, knowing "okay, so something exists beyond, but what?!" now believing the Bible couldn't answer that question, I settled into becoming Deistic... not having any clue, "Where do I go next?" In 1993, I even wrote the Atheist publisher, Farrel Till (exposed to the "Skeptical Review," publication by my brother), and Mr. Till published the letter. (Round about the spring 1993 edition, Letters to the Editors section). Mr. Till responded in kind, that he was tremendously disillusioned upon realizing the "damaged bag of goods" he too had been sold by religion.

Over that span of 2 years, I had the rug pulled from under me, twice. In 1991... faith in organized religion blown to shreds. And in 1993... faith in the Bible itself, blown to shreds.

I packed away the Bible for 7 years and mostly forgot about it. Seldom did the Bible enter into my mind, except with disdain and resentment for how the ancient book had been used by certain men in organized religion, in their agenda to control me, to bridle me with a ton of perpetual guilt, typical "God hates you" sermons about hell and brimstrone... fear, to control the faithful. And, as we all know, there's 1000's of religions, and they all hold the monopoly on the "one true truth".

In late 1999 - early 2000, I began feeling something tugging on my spirit to accept Christianity. I couldn't do that though, I thought, because, the Bible had errors and contradictions -- and long before, the Worldwide Church of God had already convinced me that Christianity itself was the "spawn of Satan," with its Christmas Trees (tree worship), and steeples sitting on the Christian Church (Egyptian obelisk)... Herbert Armstrong's teachings of Christianity itself being the "Babylon Mystery Religion". Therefore I could not be Christian. I went through a miserable spiritual conflict.

But something kept tugging on my spirit, I had to believe... I just had to take a leap of faith, anyway... the force was convincing my mind, "you never gave Christianity a chance...." So, being fair and open-minded, I decided, I'd give it a try... despite what I knew of scripture being a "book of myths". I set out on a journey then, to explain the discrepancies in scripture and prove the Bible true to myself.

I did not have any proof, and every reason not to believe, but converted anyway on a blind leap of faith.

After converting, I soon saw the ignorance and superstition in the people in Christianity... the preacher at the local church even warned me the dangers of asking too many questions. Such as, "Where does the Bible come from?" Amazing... nobody knew! The first break I got was when my Atheist brother called me up out of the blue, and offered a "Children's School Primer," which explained the origins of the Bible, from its beginning on Papyrus to later day scribes hand-copying text, generation after generation.
And when I asked a Sunday School teacher, "Have you ever actually read the Bible," and his answer was "NO" -- I asked him, "Well how then do you know its the Word of God?" I made people angry enough, that I was soon accused of Demon Possession.
The good Lord saw to it that I moved away from that church to study science and Genesis and the actual scripture and praying to God to reveal THE TRUTH.

Needless to say, the same preacher who warned me how Christians hate knowledge, was soon fired because he introduced a slightly upbeat rhythm in music... to cater to a younger generation of Christians. Before he was fired, he had encouraged me to call Christian Book Distributors, and check out their selection of scholars texts and a full line of books read by those who are theologians and attend seminary (like Preachers).

I began a new path... the search for knowledge and truth.

Instead, what I got was caught up with somebody who _did_ know scripture very well... enough to answer EVERY QUESTION, and enough knowledge about scripture to deceive, distort and twist scripture to bring about serious doubts in my mind. I fell in with Atheists, who spend their time pouring over the Bible, tearing into it verse by verse (former fundamentalist Christians), tearing into it with a passion, but with one goal in mind: to disprove it. If only Christians had an ounce of the same fervent passion, surely God would be pleased! God loves the zealous heart and mind. If Christians would do so, there just might be some decent defense of the Bible for a change. It was answers (perhaps not the right ones)... but answers, all the same. It was more answers than I had gotten from the religious establishment. (You know, the same religious establishment that crucified Jesus?) No preachers in this day and age, dare openly discuss truth... and often being, the same truth they are taught in seminary! Shame on them.

So that's how I got deceived a second time, and lead away from Jesus.

In 2007, when my eyes were re-opened (I was compelled to begin purchasing books from Amazon on the history Communism, and combined with about 20 years of what I'd learned about history came pouring in) -- it was like waking up staring a devil in the face. I remember that feeling of uncertainty and horror. I knew that I might not have one single answer about the Bible (I was not any wiser than when I started out seeking to reconcile the scriptures) but I was certain with what I knew about Socialists (leftwing/liberals)... their war against people of faith under Communism, whatever side Atheists/Agnostics were on, I'm not on that side.

Although, in my mind -- I do believe that some Atheists are sincere about their beliefs, (perhaps due to lack of knowledge about the whole spectrum of issues). For instance, they are not aware of what their brethren have committed in the name of the Atheist Apostle Karl Marx. In fact, oddly enough, the first mention of "Pol Pot" and "Mao" was offered up by an Atheist. He stated to me in correspondence, how often we'd heard of the wanton mayhem of Hitler's millions, but never hear of those death tolls under Communist tyrants. So, there are some Atheists who probably do genuinely believe they are following a path in life, paved with with good intent... especially, once they are made aware of the brutalities committed under the power of church and state, under the Popes of Old Europe... though completely unaware of Atheism's own bloody history: 100 Million slaughtered in the 20th Century (counting until 1989), for verification see "The Black Book of Communism" (Harvard University Press).

When I re-embraced my faith, I could not prove anything to myself at that moment for truth of the Bible, but I was certain with all that I had seen and known: "I'm taking the Bible and Jesus Christ, on faith and let God do the rest."

I know full well why Atheists and Agnostics *hate* the church so much... and the church is very much to blame for that. The establishment with-holds information, they do not teach the full truth to adherents, that preachers and theologians claim the luxury for themselves to know. Therefore, people are slipping away from the faith. But the grass is not greener on the other side. Due to a little knowledge which, in the wrong hands can be a very dangerous thing. I was slowly deceived to join in with Anti-Theists. In 2007, I had awaken to find myself guilty of making hostile attacks on religion and, on many occasions. Just because a person believes in a God, does not make them a friend to Christianity by default.

Yes, with all I have seen and learned, I say keep the "creation science" out of the classroom. If the religious establishment is failing to even correctly teach the Bible, then how much less is it capable of teaching "Science," an area totally un-related to Theology?

Why does the church refuse to teach people the truth of the Scriptures and God? It took no time at all to understand, as one preacher explained the "miracle of the torn veil on the temple," symbolized that _any person_ could enter into the presence of God, without fear of being stricken dead, through grace in Jesus Christ. But people are looking to men like Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Bakker, Ted Haggard, Jim Jones (actually he was an Atheist, a Marxist-Leninist, but whose counting?)

"Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch."
~ Matthew 15:14

Following men... not following Jesus, not asking for God to teach them as was promised by Jesus and the prophets. They follow men, and are therefore lead astray into darkness. Yet complain about what Scientists are teaching to children and Atheists who lead people astray? The greatest enemy that any Christian should fear, is within the church itself because the leaders of the religious establishment REFUSE to teach the truth. For posterity, I'll say it once again: it is the same religious establishment who crucified Jesus Christ who came to fulfil the law and teach none other, than the truth. For this, the religious establishment hated him (and without cause).

"It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me."
~ John 6:45

"For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest."
~ Hebrews 8:10-11

"And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you."
~ Luke 11:9

Those truths which Jesus and the Apostles taught, could be very threatening to certain men who seek power and domination over the masses in the establishment of organized religion, no middle men, with Jesus as the only intermediator between a man/woman, and God.

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Of Apes and Man

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What is known of apes (primates), females use sex as leverage, a weapon in the troop. It was probably so with ancient man; for instance one documentary which investigated a tribe of primitive people (who would not have been infected with or from the wicked line of modern man; Adam), living disconnected from all western civilization -- their ritual and custom was, any woman who wanted any man, he "gave it up," there was no complaint about how attractive a woman is, fat, age, etc. All the women dominated the men in that primitive tribe. Charles Darwin discovered in nature, "Female Choice," tends to be the rule.

...prostitution still continues to this day. A hangover from the ancient past.

The curse in Genesis was,

"your desire... will be to your husband,"

and no woman who's a street walker, and honest with herself can say that it does not HURT selling herself out to strangers, when she'd so much rather have a man who loves and protects her from the brutality of the world. Any woman who denies it, is a liar.

She desires love of a husband... one man... monogamy. Animals don't seem bothered by it at all... but it is a conflict in nature, some species are monogamous, while others are polygamous...

The human male is driven by polygamy in his nature, while the woman is mongamous, and that conflict leads to immeasurable sorrow, misery, heartache ... it is hell for any woman forced to put up with adultery.

** I would rather be dead.

To save woman from that curse in Genesis, it was written in the Commandments of God, instructing the males, "Thou Shall Not Commit Adultery," following the law of murder, itself. For, speaking as a woman, it is the murder of a woman's heart, and mind, and soul, when her husband cheats.

As one psychological fact revealed recently, a man tends to base his self-esteem and self-worth on "what's out there," in society, while a woman tends to base her self-worth on what her husband's opinion is of her. It is a cruel fate, and curse on woman. Primitive people may not recognize this, but any woman who is a descendant of Adam (modern man) knows the conflict, in her soul, and it is the same had a knife been stuck through her back, when her husband commits adultery. It is the ultimate insult, it is a death sentence for a woman's heart; intimacy and the ability to trust a man.

**On second thought, nope, I'd rather HE be dead.
KJV, Revelation 21:8
"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

KJV 1 Corinthians 6:9
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,"

(And personally, I do have one husband who thought adultery was peachy-keen, and thought polygamy was perfectly acceptable (aye how Israel was destroyed in the O.T. because Solomon erected pagan temples to pagan gods, and had "many wives"... just before the fall and demise of Israel), and my husband raped, and murdered... I happily assisted the FBI in their investigation, and saw to it that he will sit behind bars, hopefully until he is laying in his grave.
A brother who thought it was fine to hand over his sister to his "friends," for a "fun time," then lie about it to cover up the crime. Just days before he went to his grave (an Atheist) he was foaming hatred of God from his mouth, and now, good-bye "brother." He passed away from suicide -- according to what I've read, he swallowed a lot of pain medication which probably allowed him to live just long enough to feel his heart explode... He couldn't deal with it, when the police confirmed it was statutory rape, and he was indeed GUILTY, as an accessory. He killed himself... he felt no remorse.

Therefore I feel no remorse.

It takes thousands of years for somebody to say, what Solomon did (erecting pagan temples to pagan gods and taking "many wives") was an abomination... and because some wicked scribes praised Solomon's worldly wisdom, he was deemed, "Holy" and "Wise" in the Scriptures. He was a wretched, evil man.
Does any man have the ability to discern in the simplest things, or did God need to speak that Solomon's wisdom was entirely worldly wisdom, and like east is to the west, lacking in spiritual wisdom, and enmity to God, and disobedient to the Commandments?

Atheists look at the example of the wicked Solomon and his polygamy and reason, "It is acceptable to commit adultery with many women." As is the case with Atheists Hugh Hefner and Larry Flynt, who are responsible for bringing national morality to an all-time low in U.S. History.
How the Atheists do look at apes and wild animals, saying "barn-yard animals are homosexual," and this or that species are polygamous, therefore, it's just great for humans too. Darwin said we came from apes, "therefore we can behave like them too."
The males are having a big party free for all, while single mothers are stuck at home raising the unwanted children. Sometimes becoming so grieved that "You can't win for losing," they dump the children on the grand-parents and move on with their lives just desperately hoping to have a little fun... if any pleasure can be found. There is no hope, unless MEN will keep the commandments of God.
Women have cried out, that it's not intended to be this way (men committing adultery and divorce like its never been in the history of man), but Hollywood continues to churn out the lies to promote adultery and moving on to children younger and younger, corrupting them in their youth before they are even old enough to make a "consentual decision," ... surely these are the last days (perilous times).

This statement alone, sounds bells and whistles it's a forgery:

** "as the law also says (Genesis 3:16)"

See University of North Carolina, (Commentary on the) Oppression of Women in Early Christianity
http://people.uncw.edu/zervosg/Pr236/Ehrman23.htm
There was no "law" that women must obey men. Rather, Jesus did strongly rebuke and condemn the males of the religious establishment, for alterations on the law of Moses that permitted for divorce, and notably, "it was not so since the beginning," further chastising them, that because of their customs, the law of God had became of no effect.



The scribe wished to enslave woman, instead of freedom in salvation through Jesus Christ. The scribe forged, "Submit to a man, and learn under a man... mindless obedience to men"...? Here's one evangelist who summed things up so nicely, with much pain in his voice:

"...it was a mass-murder, because men and women were following a man, and I am going to let every one of you that are here under this tent, you that are listening to this radio broadcast, My God don't follow a man, don't follow a church, if you're going to follow somebody, follow Jesus! Follow Jesus! Look unto Jesus who is the author and the finisher of your fate..."

Women, do not look to a man to lead you, he will surely lead you into destruction with him! Look to Jesus! Look to Jesus!



Communism of Jim Jones, August 1983



One evangelical preacher (below) discusses the problem with Jim Jones, there were no bibles ... no place to pray... what else than Communism? Unfortunately, I have only part of that preacher's voice recorded to MP3 format (here), and welcome others to download.

He said

'I was Jim Jones' attorney.' I said 'When did you find out that he was not the man of God that he was billed to be?' He said 'When I visited Jonestown, when I walked in his so-called church. He said there was no bible, there were no holy pictures, there was no cross. Nothing. And I looked him right in the eye and I said to him 'Why is it there's no bible, and there's no place to pray?' He said 'We don't need that anymore,' and he says 'I am no longer your attorney, and you no longer need me.' And he walked out of there when Representative Ryan flew in to Guyana, the first man he called was Sir Lionel Luckhoo, and asked him to fly with him to Jonestown, he said 'God will not let me go'. If he had have gone he wouldn've been massacred with Representative Ryan, are you listening to me? And I'm going to reveal something to you that possibly the public does not know - Sir Lionel Luckhoo told me that the coroner was a close personal friend of his, and he said that he examined every single one of the bodies, this was not a mass-suicide like the world was brainwashed into thinking, but when that coroner examined the bodies, there was a pinhole in ninety-seven percent of all the bodies, they were injected with a poiso*, it was a mass-murder, because men and women were following a man, and I am going to let every one of you that are here under this tent, you that are listening to this radio broadcast, My God don't follow a man, don't follow a church, if you're going to follow somebody, follow Jesus! Follow Jesus! Look unto Jesus who is the author and the finisher of your fate, the devil is out to destroy every child of God that he can find! Can you shout 'Amen' somebody?''

Thanks to the comments!!

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Intelligent Design Advocates Will Be Disappointed By Literal Reading of Genesis

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I've considered, and re-considered the very literal text of Epoch Three, Five and Six, and the conclusion is you have to read it for what it says in black and white. The majority of species described were "created" by the earth and waters... am I disappointed, not really. Enlightened, is more like it.

"...In opposition to the Darwinian theory of evolution, Agassiz held to 'epochs of creation'."
~ F&W Encyclopedia, 1950, on Professor Louis Agassiz, rival and contemporary of Charles Darwin.

Based on a literal comparison between what Science teaches (to the detail), and Genesis 1 and 2, Scientists Louis Agassiz ("Epochs of Creation") and Charles Darwin ("Natural Selection"), were both correct.

Even further, some of the prophets allude to a "New Heaven and Earth," and further improvisations on animal kinds in the Kingdom of God, with the lion redesigned to eat grass and lay down next to a lamb. The chronology in Genesis will not support "Intelligent Design Hypothesis" as some may want it to.

The Problem with Extinction

God does not create animals "after their kind," until the time of whales. The Waters brought forth the animals, "after their kind," as in evolving over several 100 million years. That includes the KT Boundary, which wiped out so many species, and the mammals inherited the Earth.

The scripture is black and white,

God commanded the Earth and Waters to "bring forth" and merely created the varieties the water brought forth (as in "every living creature" as in extant, still "living"), "After their kind," which implies what some have suggested for, "Fine-tuning hypothesis".

If you're an intelligent God, and use the ocean and waterways to create by... you want to separate the weak from the strong species.... you put the species through cataclysm, and what's left at the end of the day, the living... those are fine-tuned.

That's what it says too. "Created every _living_ creature" along with Whales, after their kind = which serves as the most excellent hint for humans to figure out the time period must be around 45 mya . . . and God creates "every living (extant) creature" after its kind.

The KT Boundary took out so many species.

The next major evolutions indeed, took place with Cattle and beasts of the earth, followed by man... in Epoch six, still God is allowing the earth to do the creating, after their kind, --then creates (fine tunes) them, after their kind.

In scientific terms, "every living creature"... as in what's left extant, is called "Survival of the Fittest". 95% of all species that ever lived, have went extinct.

An Intelligent Creator... but obviously, doesn't seem much into "Designing."

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