An Imperfect Creation? Critics of "Intelligent Design"

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t isn't what I wanted Genesis 1 to read like, but that appears to be what the text actually says,

The Lord "spoke" and put something into motion, commanding the Waters bring forth the (creeping) moving creature, and indeed the seas are filled with such organisms that creep, and they moved out on earth and multiplied (we know this is implied) because the next epoch God works with the creatures "of the earth". Both of which the Lord, "created after their kind." Notice, it does not say God creates the creatures of the earth, merely recreates them after their kind. It does not say:
"Let the earth bring forth the living creature."
No, rather it implies they're already there, and says,
"Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind..."

So these were already living on land. God caused them to evolve... improved designs.

KJV
"And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so."
~ Genesis 1:24

So much for I.D. Critics and Atheist arguments.

Also, if the creation were meant by God to be "perfect" (Genesis merely states "It was good" in God's eyes, "Good enough," then take note that it also states in regard to the world of chaos that is Earth (God will create a new heaven and new earth):

"...The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious."
~ Isaiah

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."
~ Revelation

.. the Bible itself gives testament that God is not entirely pleased with "creation," and was so displeased with the wickedness that followed the wake of modern man (Adam; Agriculture; Violent Imagination), that God repented creating man and sent a flood... followed by raining down fiery sulphur on Sodom and Gomorrah (which Atheists still have failed to explain. There's no volcanos in the area. Where did the fire come from? Scientists are mystified. Try try to explain it.)

But, despite man's failures, the Bible concludes that God's heart and mind was, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believe in him would not perish but have everlasting life."

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After reading those verses in Genesis, considering all the arguments I've read and listened to over the past years (since around 2000), and observing the violence in animals (some of those sharp-clawed / sharp toothed creatures among (true) reptiles and dinosaurs, i.e., Postosuchus (which resembles a cross between a large Alligator and miniature Tyrannosaurs Rex), I think, I rather prefer the idea that God would "command the waters bring forth the moving creatures" and God created them after their kind.... or even, that God hurled a meteor on the earth, wiping it all out, and created such animals "after their kind". Making them a little more social...

Those were frightful creatures, and I always did ask myself about the nice things, like ducks, maybe it was some sort of insight into the nature of God. But the thought entered my mind, "What about the lion with its sharp teeth that ferociously stalks and kills prey?"
If that's the nature of God, too?

Down deep, I'd hate to think so. I know the Bible states that God creates both good and evil... but it does put a damper on things having to believe God would really "want" Evil in the world. I couldn't help but take note, Genesis doesn't even imply God hands-on, created all those things (including the monstrosities)... he merely instructed the earth and water to bring forth, and then recreates those things after their kind. So many species went extinct.
And then, the promise of "a new heaven and new earth" -- and a promise that ferocious beasts like the lion will be made so docile, that it would lay down next to a lamb.
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Genesis 1:20-23 ( Day Five of Genesis, Pt. 2 of 2 )

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A ( 3-D Visual Animation Video ) presentation of Genesis 1:20 through Genesis 1:23 . . . Day #Five".
Science teaches that animals emerged from the water. That's what the book of Genesis says. The Hebrew clearly states "moving" = "creeping". At one time Creationists denounced the theory, that fish grew legs and walked out on land, but not only are there extant creatures of this nature (fish with legs), but... Evolution is implied, for God "creates" those creatures which the waters brought forth . . . "after their kind".



Reference for Geological Changes in the Earth through the ages : Discovery Channel's "Atlas of the Prehistoric World," 1999

With the plants in Day #3, it does _not_ mention God creating. It's as if God commanded and things were put into motion, without God's direct involvement... "the earth brought forth... and God saw that it was good."
In Epoch/Day #5 initially it doesn't say God creates, merely commands for the waters to bring forth the moving(creeping) creatures and fowl (again, like Epoch/Day #3)... and wow, they did come in that order too. The carboniferous saw the first dragonflies that flew!! Creeping creatures did appear before "fowl". They were monstrous in size... but God "created them after their kind," so the modern variety are smaller... (In Hebrew, "fowl" was a general term, often applied to winged, flying insects. English applies a different connotation to the word "fowl".)
See "Does the Bible err on how many legs insects have?"
http://www.tektonics.org/af/buglegs.html

However, in the second verse, is the first mention of God "creating" whales, but he creates the creatures "after their kind," ... "which the waters had brought forth.
Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Genesis 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
Genesis 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

Reads like God was fine-tuning... as if God set back and let nature take its course... and then "fine tuned" the species, or perhaps, since it mentions whales (which date to 45 MYA -- the Ice Age) which would've came after the theoretical KT Boundary/Giant Meteor Impact... so God may have done some direct creating -- improving genetic blueprints, etc... but you know, it doesn't matter 'cos all the creatures are lining up accurately with the fossil record. The weight of evidence supports Genesis 1 as an inspired text. Just as the fossil record has a specific predictable order, Genesis 1 does too, follows the fossil record. Identical to Paleontology... what's the chances its "mere Babylonian mythology"? Zero.

GOD IS HIDDEN...
All those articles atheists have written attacking "bad designs," in nature really need to read the text with clarity, because it seems to imply God commanded "Let the earth bring forth," (and not directly involved with each and every little thing that developed, and let nature run its own course) and "Let the waters bring forth..." and only creates those, in the next verse, "after their kind" (a direct act of evolution -- some modifications to improve blueprints)
...so much for the spider fangs
...cockroaches
...and other wild beastly things
... God commands, and the forces on earth, bring forth.
Seems those articles on "bad designs" are worthless, if reading Genesis 1, strictly literal.
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Fish who grew legs, and walked from the water

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#1 I can imagine creationists swallowing their words, and saying nothing... realizing they have been fighting science... for nothing. Fighting the truth of God. God has used scientists for his own purpose.
#2 I can imagine Darwinists/Atheists shreiking like angry little children... stomping their God-hating feet. But if it isn't for fighting YEC, what the heck will we do with our lives... we don't have a life beyond Karl Marx and attacks on Religion and God.

All that hysteria a couple decades ago, when SCIENTISTS said that "fish grew legs and walked out of the water." Oh how "blasphemous". But I am including scanner text from Genesis itself. "And God said, Let the WATERS BRING FORTH abundantly the *(creeping)* creature, that has *(soul)*... see Hebrew footnotes in the King James.



Fish that grew legs and walked away from the water... the tetrapods, were "creeping" and moving creatures.
Fish with legs... just as science predicted. They have explained the creation account in Genesis.
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Jim Jones was an Atheist, not the Man of God, Atheists have Claimed

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I'm taking the liberty to post a little bit of information that's been compiled regarding the "spiritual beliefs" of Jim Jones, leader of the mass suicidal, People's Temple cult from Jonestown (1978).



Jim Jones and Jonestown Sing Soviet Anthem
New audio of Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple singing the National Anthem of the Soviet Union, to which they often refer as their "spiritual motherland." Temple members often sang the anthem after nightly meetings.
There's an entirely incorrect misconception from people who don't read about Jonestown that the Temple members were messainic religious nuts. They were most definitely not. They were communists looking for an exodus to the USSR before their final mass suicide. They were also vehement atheists (Jones ridiculed people that believed in "the sky God"). The PT repeatedly explained that they used religion ("religion is an opiate of the masses") to convert people to socialism.
They were mostly politically minded. They also weren't looking to die. Many thought Jones prior discussions of war and suicide were just part of a long line of dramatic proclamations he'd always made but never came remotely close to consummating through action. Until November 18. Note that Jim Jones had met and was friends with Paul Robeson, who happens to sing the most famous English version of the anthem.

He sure was active in seemingly good causes.
Wikipedia states: "Condemnation of Robeson and his beliefs came swiftly, from both....mainstream black organizations including the NAACP."

To make certain this video doesn't end up in file 13 of youtube, it's available here as well:

Jim Jones and Jonestown Sing Soviet Anthem


This video too,
Jim Jones: "I decided how can I demonstrate my Marxism? The thought was, infiltrate the church."




The Peoples Temple and Jim Jones devolve in 1976 from a San Francisco political juggernaut secretly harboring designs of world communist revolution to, in 1978, a paranoid North Korean-style enclave in Jonestown. There, they negotiate with the Soviet Union, North Korea and others for a possible exodus. A Soviet delegation visits Jonestown, showering it with praise. Captured on audio, three weeks before Congressman Ryan, NBC and others visit, they vote to commit Revolutionary Suicide to further the cause of Marxist-Leninism. The day before Congressman Ryan arrives, Jones announced to Jonestown (and recorded on tape) he's not passing up the opportunity to shoot him. Two days later, they do precisely as Jones had claimed: The Temple's "Red Brigade" killed Ryan and four others. The only murder of a Congressman in the line of duty in U.S. history. Popular NBC reporter Don Harris is also murdered. Then, just as the Temple had voted three weeks before, over 900 members commit Revolutionary Suicide -- the largest death toll of American civilians in a non-natural disaster until 9-11. They die in a "White Night" -- an emergency meeting of the Temple to discuss options to prevent takeover by outside forces. Jonestown had 84 White Nights before the final one.
Tags: Jonestown Jim Jones Peoples Temple Kool-Aid Cult Massacre Communist Socialist Marxist Soviet Suicide Carter Moscone Mondale


Jim Jones and Jonestown - Devolution from Political Force to Revolutionary Suicide


Some are already aware of the philosophical ties between Jim Jones and the Atheistic Soviet Union. I'll let the following documentation explain itself, but the question remains in mind, why, for so many years did the liberal media lead the masses to believe Jim Jones was a fanatical "Christian," just as many have accused that Adolf Hitler was a "Christian"? Why do these misconceptions continue to pervade across the web and media. Perhaps until Christians, no longer recognize a Christian. Adolf Hitler and Jim Jones have one thing in common and that is: SOCIALISM. At best, Hitler was a deist, giving benefit of the doubt to the existence of a higher power, but he certainly did not have the makings of a "Christian" in spirit (i.e., the fruits of the spirit mentioned in Galatians). I'm lead to the same conclusion in regard to George W. Bush, who proclaims himself to be "Conservative Christian" in the public eye, but both Sr. and Jr., have been willing participants in the Bohemian Grove's satanic mock sacrifices of humans, at the infamous Bohemian Grove. See video by Alex Jones on YouTube.

Alex Jones - Secrets in Bohemian Grove

People, this is not Christianity!!! and there's nothing at all "conservative" about it. Like Jim Jones and Adolf Hitler, George W. Bush is a sworn Socialist, implementing global "marxist economics" in the name of Jesus. Can somebody say amen?

jim_jones.mp3

One evangelical preacher (above) discusses the problem with Jim Jones, there were no bibles ... no place to pray... what else than Communism? Unfortunately, I have only part of that preacher's voice recorded to MP3 format, and welcome others to download. Perhaps somebody can recognize his voice and tell me who he is. The actual text to the entirety of his sermon, went as follows:

SGH said about 1 year ago:
He said 'I was Jim Jones' attorney.' I said 'When did you find out that he was not the man of God that he was billed to be?' He said 'When I visited Jonestown, when I walked in his so-called church. He said there was no bible, there were no holy pictures, there was no cross. Nothing. And I looked him right in the eye and I said to him 'Why is it there's no bible, and there's no place to pray?' He said 'We don't need that anymore,' and he says 'I am no longer your attorney, and you no longer need me.' And he walked out of there when Representative Ryan flew in to Guyana, the first man he called was Sir Lionel Luckhoo, and asked him to fly with him to Jonestown, he said 'God will not let me go'. If he had have gone he wouldn've been massacred with Representative Ryan, are you listening to me? And I'm going to reveal something to you that possibly the public does not know - Sir Lionel Luckhoo told me that the coroner was a close personal friend of his, and he said that he examined every single one of the bodies, this was not a mass-suicide like the world was brainwashed into thinking, but when that coroner examined the bodies, there was a pinhole in ninety-seven percent of all the bodies, they were injected with a poiso*, it was a mass-murder, because men and women were following a man, and I am going to let every one of you that are here under this tent, you that are listening to this radio broadcast, My God don't follow a man, don't follow a church, if you're going to follow somebody, follow Jesus! Follow Jesus! Look unto Jesus who is the author and the finisher of your fate, the devil is out to destroy every child of God that he can find! Can you shout 'Amen' somebody?''


Sir Lionel Luckhoo's Testimony on Jim Jones, 1983 (9:50 duration)

The full audio of Jim Jones attorney is available here in its full one hour+ length entirety (12 megabyte download), where you can find Sir Luckhoo discussing Jim Jones' unbelief in God and Communist views around the 24:50 of 1:08:57 time marker. Luckhoo describes Jones as, "Satanist" and that 85-90% of the people at Jonestown were murdered... he mentions Jim Jones communist ideologue, which is no longer a secret on the web.

Fresh 30 Year Old Kool-Aid: Jim Jones And Barack Obama’s Evangelical Marxism"
"...November 18, 1978, after he killed 918 people, somehow or another he went from what he was known as especially in his home area of San Francisco, he moved in the eyes of Americans from an American leftist to an evangelical Christian fanatic. It was the Christian in him that did it. We’ve seen this happen over and over and over again, socialist dreams ending in ghoulish nightmares and then conveniently shifted. They shift everything into a commentary on organized religion and how evil organized religion is. It’s important for those who have eyes and those who have ears to hear and eyes to see that they see history beginning to repeat itself. Even the Nation magazine represented at the time, the Temple — Jim Jones’ Temple — was as much of a left wing political crusade as a church. Let me say that again. “The Temple was as much a left wing political crusade as a church.” I want you to see if you can put any of the people that you are currently seeing out in today’s political landscape into any of these characters from 1978. In the course of the 1970s the Jim Jones church social program grew steadily more disaffiliated from what Jim Jones came to regard as fascist America.
Jim Jones was against fascist America and their social programs drifted rapidly towards outspoken communist sympathies, so much that the last will and testament of the people’s temple, the people’s temple and its individual members left notes. They bequeathed millions of dollars in assets to… do you know? The people, 918 of them that were killed by that crazy religious Christian preacher, after they drank the Kool-Aid, who did they leave their millions to? The Soviet Union. As Jones expressed to a Soviet diplomat upon his visit to Jonestown months before the suicides took place, quote: For many years we have let our sympathies be quite publicly known that the United States government is not our mother but the Soviet Union was our spiritual mother land.
I’m trying to get my arms around the spirituality of the former Soviet Union. “Jim Jones was an evangelical communist who became a minister only to infiltrate the church with the gospel according to Marx and Lenin. He was an atheist missionary. He knew he could bring the message of socialist redemption to Christians. Quote: I decided how can I demonstrate my Marxism.
This is Jim Jones speaking. “The thought was infiltrate the church.”
Try to think back. Is there anybody that you have heard that is preaching Marxist philosophies in church? Is there anyone who is bringing the Marxist philosophies and doing it with anger and bitterness against the United States? Have you seen anyone like that on the horizon? Have you seen anyone who is influencing others, whoever those others may be? /EXCERPT


Far cry from the misconception that Jim Jones was a "fanatic religious leader," never once did the liberal (leftwing/marxist influenced) media try to correct that misconception that Jim Jones was in fact the opposite, a Communist fanatic... and they will go on saying Jim Jones was a "Christian" along with Charles Manson, Adolf Hitler and George Bush... diluting the truth, until nobody even recognizes what Christianity even means anymore.
I found the Luckhoo speech at the following source: 12 megabyte download
Like Hitler, setting himself as a "Messiah" ... like Lenin and Josef Stalin... murderous socialist messiahs.
The Testimony of Sir Lionel Luckhoo
"Since the thirtieth anniversary of the Jonestown massacre/suicide is coming up on Tuesday, it’s good to rerun a podcast from last year: the testimony of Sir Lionel Luckhoo, Jim Jones’ lawyer and one of the world’s most successful trial attorneys. Sir Lionel talks about his relationship with Jim Jones and how he ultimately came to find his Saviour and Lord."
"The testimony of Sir Lionel Luckhoo, the Guyanese lawyer and diplomat. He held the Guinness Book of World Records place for the largest number of successive murder acquittals (245). He accepted Christ as his Saviour in the midst of his defence of Jim Jones before the Jonestown massacre in 1978. He gave this testimony in August 1983 at a meeting of the Full Gospel Businessmen’s Fellowship International in Chattanooga, Tennessee.
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Genesis 1:20 ( Day Five of Genesis, Part 1 of 2 )

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Many of the earliest waters were "shallow seas"... and shells would designate a need for protection against the suns' rays and quite possibly, the water itself.

WikiAnswers - Do you get a sunburn faster in salt water? Yes, the salt water dries out your skin a lot faster, sucking all the moisture out, ...
~ wiki answers com

Causes Of Sun Poisoning ...
Note, the question is about sun poisoning, not sunburns. ... much body water (dehydration) and salt/minerals. ... occur: numbness/tingling of the arms/legs, ...
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Also, the evolutionary leap forward of the "moving creature" mentioned in Genesis 1:20 ...

Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature...



Part 1 of 2 (Genesis 1:20, Epoch or Day Five)
"The first animals did not leave fossilized bones - they had no bones, but they did leave clues. They did leave traces - tracks and trails, just as animals do today. Footprints close together suggest walking rather than running - prints give clues to movement, behavior, size - through the writing of steps on the earth. While tracks seem natural for animals, it is noted that the first animals did not leave tracks - they were like the sponges of today, which filter the water for tiny bits of food. Sponges could not move, and most cnidarians did not move to pursue the world either. Locomotion was invented by another animal... that dates back 540 million years. Animal body plans were undergoing revolution 565 million years ago. The trails indicate the first mobile animal could move sediment. The animal had to be thin because the trail is only a few mm wide, and the track is rounded so the creature had to be cylindrical, there are no scratches along the trail so the creature had no appendages, the trail also shows a sense of direction which indicates the presence of a head - it knew where it was going. It’s legacy is in most animals on the planet, which have the same body plan. Animals move with their heads leading the way, an innovation that changed the course of animal life."
The Shape of Life, Episode 3: The First Hunter (Flatworms)
http://www2.sluh.org/bioweb/bi100/movies/sol3.htm

Shell Theories
"Why did early Cambrian organisms evolve shells? The obvious answer is that they needed protection. But it has been pointed out that there were (*)no known predators armed with teeth at this time--so what exactly were these tiny organisms protecting themselves against? One possibilty is that predators used other means of attack, such as stinging cells, which left no trace in the fossil record. But it is possible that the shells were not for protection at all. They may have been for energy stores, a response to chemical changes in seawater or an anchor for (**)soft body parts."
Discovery Channel, 1999, Atlas of the Prehistoric World, pg. 61

SHELLS SERVE AS A PROTECTION AGAINST THE SUN'S SCALDING RAYS IN SHALLOW SEAS
Utah Geological Survey
During the Early Cambrian (about 570 to 540 million years ago), western Utah was covered by a shallow sea. Slow-moving rivers flowed across the sandy ...
http://geology.utah.gov/surveynotes/gladasked/trilobites.htm

* Organism fossils from the Vendian, which preceded the Cambrian lifeforms, had one further, say scientists: No mouths, nor internal digestive tract visible in fossil finds. So if they were not animal, then what were they?
** The most important purpose of all for shells is being overlooked. Protection from the sun's dehydrating heat, and light. It would have been entirely impossible for soft body organisms to ever leave the protection of their watery environment, had it not been without thick protection from the drying effect of the sun. To this day, anyone familiar with beach-combing will notice mollusks who wash up on shore... quickly dig under the sand, and hide from the sun and open air until the tide rises.

Early Cambrian innovation in shallow subtidal environments: Paleoenvironments of Early Cambrian shelly fossils
Jeffrey F. Mount1 and P. W. Signer1
Department of Geology, University of California, Davis, California 95616
"Contrary to onshore-offshore patterns described for several Phanerozoic clades, evolutionary innovations leading to the earliest shelly Metazoa did not originate in nearshore, stressed marine habitats. Paleoecological analyses of the Early Cambrian fauna and strata of the White-Inyo Mountains of California indicate that major shelly taxa and trace fossils appeared offshore from shallow-water, physically stressed environments and only later spread to nearshore habitats. Other lowermost Cambrian stratigraphic sections elsewhere in the world show similar patterns. The contrast in pattern of community evolution between the Early Cambrian and the remaining Phanerozoic suggests either temporally variable control on position of evolutionary innovation or a need for reexaminution of the data."
http://geology.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/abstract/13/10/730

Precambrian Era
The oldest rocks in Georgia are found in the Piedmont and Blue Ridge provinces and are Proterozoic in age (1 to 1.3 billion years old). These rocks were originally deposited as sediment, which was compressed into sedimentary rocks and then altered by heat and pressure into a metamorphic rock called gneiss. The metamorphism occurred about 1 billion years ago during a mountain-building event, or orogeny, in eastern North America called the Grenville Orogeny. This orogeny was accompanied by the intrusion of granite and other igneous rocks, which were also metamorphosed. The rocks were folded, faulted, uplifted, and then eroded. These metamorphic rocks, called the Grenville gneisses, form the "basement" upon which the younger rocks of the Appalachian mountain system have been deposited.
630 and 700 million years ago, the rifting (or splitting apart of the continent) began, which led to the opening of the Iapetus Ocean (or proto–Atlantic Ocean) along the eastern margin of North America. From the Late Proterozoic to the Early Cambrian, the Grenville mountains eroded, and streams transported sediments to the sea, which covered much of Georgia at that time. These sediments were compacted into sedimentary rocks and later metamorphosed to the gneiss, marble, metaconglomerate, phyllite, quartzite, schist, and slate found in the Blue Ridge and/or Piedmont regions of Georgia.
Volcanic islands were present in this ancient sea, and eruptions produced igneous rocks, which were also later metamorphosed. Today these rocks are amphibolite, hornblende gneiss, and other metavolcanic rocks. Gold was deposited from mineral-rich hot waters moving through cracks in the volcanic rocks on the sea floor. This gold has been mined in the Dahlonega area since its discovery in 1828.
Paleozoic Era
From the Cambrian to the Pennsylvanian periods, the southeastern part of North America lay south of the equator in a relatively tropical climatic zone. The Iapetus Ocean was offshore, roughly where the Atlantic Ocean is today. As the sea flooded over the eastern edge of North America during the Paleozoic, a thick (5 to 10 kilometers or more) sequence of shallow marine sediments was deposited. A series of three mountain-building events affected eastern North America during the Paleozoic. These orogenies caused metamorphism, folding, faulting, and igneous intrusions in the Piedmont and Blue Ridge, as well as the folding and faulting of the sedimentary rocks of the Valley and Ridge and the Appalachian Plateau.
Cambrian Period, Ordovician Period, and Silurian Period
During the Cambrian period (542 to 490 million years ago), sandstones, dolostones, and shales were deposited on beaches and in shallow seas covering the eastern edge of North America. During the Late Cambrian and Early Ordovician periods, carbonate rocks, or limestones, were deposited in the warm, shallow waters of this sea. The environment was much like that of the present-day Great Bahama Bank. Numerous animals, including corals, brachiopods, snails, nautiloid cephalopods, crinoids, trilobites, and bryozoans, inhabited the shallow sea.
http://georgiaencyclopedia.org/nge/Article.jsp?id=h-3510
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Genesis 1:14-19 ( Day Four of Genesis )

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A ( 3-D Visual Animation Video ) presentation of Genesis 1:14-19. . . the end of "Day #Four".



Quotes on the Cambrian Explosion come from (link).

Environments and fossilization
"Without further explanation one might get the idea that fossils will occur wherever sedimentary rocks have been formed. This is clearly not the case. Relative to the abundance of sedimentary rocks on Earth, those that contain plant fossils are very rare indeed. This implies that plant fossils are formed under very special environmental conditions. It is not sufficient to have a body of water, a source of inorganic sediments, and plant or animal remains to make a fossil. We all know that when an organism dies under normal conditions in nature, that organism decays. This happens because of the activity of bacteria and fungi, especially those that are aerobic."
~ Paleobotany and the Evolution of Plants (Second Edition)
Wilson N. Stewart and Gar W. Rothwell

















It has been widely theorized, that before the Cambrian Explosion, during the Precambrian or Vendian, organisms which lived during the period were primarily soft-bodied, therefore, even worse than modern plants which leave few fossils due to fragile structure, the likelihood of soft-bodied Precambrian plants leaving fossils is dramatically decreased. The Pre-Cambrian has yielded only scant fossils, but as scientists have observed with the Cambrian Explosion.... the abundance and diversity point to earlier origins. Soft-bodied organisms would have been ideally suited dwelling in a damp, dark, sunless world. For sake of posterity, many plant forms are non-photosynthetic or derive nutrition through alternate means aside from photosynthesis. For example, Protozoans who are cross between photosynthetic plant and animal, (i.e., Euglena and Volvox)

Methods of Deriving Nutrition and Reproduction
Protozoa obtain their food supply through three methods:
1. Holophytic protozoa obtain nutrients through photosynthesis.
2. Holozoic protozoa depend on plants and animals for food.
3. Saprophytic protozoa asorb organic matter through the cell wall.

One team of researchers discovered photosyntethic bacteria, in the deep Pacific around a hydrothermal vent. Such hot springs once covered the surface of the earth amidst shallow seas, and provided a plentiful source for photosynthesis that was necessary for the proliferation and survival of many species. But let's not forget plant varieties which, even to this day are non-photosynthetic... entire ecosystems could thrive, in the total absence of sunlight... and that does not exclude even shrub-like trees, that were soft-bodied in design, complete with "fruit" and seed within (i.e., the non-photosynthetic mistletoe, which comes complete with berries and seed).
However, as suggested, with the advent of the sun, organisms would have a need to develop (or "evolve") hard-body structures (that could withstand the sun's heat) with the Sun's generating mass-photosynthesis throughout the Earth. This would allow organisms to diversify in the kind of great abundance witnessed in the fossil record and is called the "Cambrian Explosion." Just as "let the waters bring forth.. creatures.. in great abundance," is stated in Genesis, Day #5, and as was observed in the "Cambrian Explosion" by Darwin and other influential figures in Paleontology.

Genesis "Day Four" marks the epoch when the Sun began active nuclear-fusion, and Day Five marks the Cambrian Explosion in the fossil record. The only direct evidence we have of the sun's history, would be in how it interacted with Earth. The fossil record provides the evidence. Such an explosion of diverse, hard-bodied organisms in the fossil record can only be explained by the introduction of widescale Photosynthesis... which only the sun could provide, a mere 500-600 million years ago. This certainly is not the first time such a theory has been proposed, for example the KT Boundary (65 Million years ago), lead to the extinction of dinosaurs when a meteor is believed to have crashed into Earth's surface. It is suggested the fallout lead to a blackening of the skies, blocking the sun's light which lead to an extinction of a vast number of life-forms on the planet. Also, the Earth lay dormant for 3.5 billion years without any apparent major evolutionary advances, which can easily be explained with the absence of sunlight. This tremendous gap in the fossil record, remains too vast for most seasoned Evolutionists to simply ignore.

Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:



Genesis 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.



Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

How odd indeed. I've already covered the explanation for this weird looking picture: Here, you've got to love that glass sponge. AND to argue, that "it could not exist" strange plant-like organisms during the precambrian... well that logic doesn't hold water with science. Scientists admit there were organisms, but they left no fossils. We do know organisms can photosynthesize around hydrothermal vents; black smokers, hot springs. Stromatolites were "photosynthesizing" as far back as 3.5 billion years ago when the earth was still a cauldron of smoke and volcanic activity (which would have blocked out the sun, if it were nuclear-fusion-active, anyway.)
That's right folks, at that point in the earth's history, its highly unlikely that sunlight would've made it through Earth's non-existant atmosphere, for the thick black clouds (as in, what made the dinosaurs go extinct -- lack of sunlight leads to extinction of plants -- which started a domino effect that lead to mass extinction) -- meteor activity and volcanic activity was billowing forth at that time in natural history and -- with all those thick black clouds and steam... well, somehow, still, stromatolites existed.
Atheists can't figure out where the light came from, for stromatolites to photosynthesize? Of course we understand this takes a PhD in Genius to figure out.

And what were they photosynthesizing from? Hydrothermal vents, just as they did 2 billion years ago. But for any atheist who might presume, "An organism like that couldn't exist because it's not been discovered" -- Atheist logic is flawed by that same line of reasoning. God supposedly doesn't exist because they've not found "empirical evidence," which I've covered here (and backfire it does!) It is a fact: Just because species did not leave fossils, does not mean the species never existed. Good scientists tell us so.




Genesis 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Some may argue the Sun was there 3.5 billion years providing light for photosynthesis (i.e., Stromatolites where cyanobacteria left traces on rocks).... no no... discovery by researchers shows that bacteria was photosynthesizing in Deep Sea Pacific Ocean Hydrothermal Vent (circa 2006)... so that explains Stromatolites... early bacteria getting their light energy straight from the light of the earth, for 3.5 billion years... huge huge gap. And bacteria... that's _all_ there was for about 3.5 billion years... minus some soft bodied organisms late in the Vendian... (soft body plans require a constant water supply for moisture, or a dark environment... take your pick).

The Earth is not Young, but the Sun is... a wee 500 million years old.

Science Fact: "The Sun and all the planets were formed at around the same time, depending on when you define the birth of the sun. Before the Sun became as it is today it was a proto sun, which had all the elements it has now but it just had not started the nuclear reaction which fuels today's sun. As the sun started to form from the debris of the dust/particle cloud so did all the planets."
From : What is the age of the sun (the sun of our solar system) and the age of earth?



Not Mere Mythology
Another couple of observations of tremendous significance, on the text of Genesis...

1. If it were Babylonian mythology, as some Agnostics and Atheists propose, why are these two celestial bodies (the sun and moon) portrayed as mere "sources for light" instead of "gods" -- Babylonian and Egyptian mythology would have assumed the sun and moon and stars to be "gods". But instead, the text clearly states God formed them for "lights".

2. Light... all that I have stated involved the necessity to provide light, as a source for photosynthesis, to bring about the mass-proliferation of creatures (as seen in the Cambrian Explosion) as stated in Day #5... "let the waters bring forth... creatures... abundantly..."

The term, "lights" are used in Genesis, not the celestial orb themself, but "light." Light is specifically required in Photosynthesis to give plants energy and it states that much too, the purpose was "...to give light upon the earth..." This is significant because plants depend on light, and plants are necessary to feed living creatures.
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Genesis 1:11-13 ( Day Three of Genesis, Part Two of Two )

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A ( 3-D Visual Animation Video ) presentation of Genesis 1:11 through Genesis 1:13. . . the end of "Day #Three".

** A MINOR CORRECTION **
The forms of plants portrayed in the images, are misleading. During the Precambrian/Vendian period, the ancestors of modern plants are what one would expect to find; Algae, Bacteria, Fungi, etc. As with the case of the "Fruiting Fungi" tree (see side-bar), these organisms were and are not, what we would think of as plants in the modern sense. All of which, fit the description in Genesis:
1. Algae (Heb. Tender) Grass (for covering).
2. Herb bearing seed (Fungi may be used for medicinal purposes, as "herbs," and in fact, do have "seed" as in spores.
3. Trees, bearing fruit whose seed is inside itself, which is perfectly described by the "Fruiting Fungi," tree (see top of sidebar), or Google "Prototaxites" (one of the fossilized organisms). Notably, said fruiting fungi, is non-photosynthetic and can thrive in the total absence of sunlight (as described in Genesis Epoch #3).
Actually, my hope was more in pointing out examples of NON-PHOTOSYNTHETIC "PLANT" kinds like the mistletoe, and some orchids. But in actuality, the earliest "plant" kinds would have been algae and fungi, ancestors of modern plants. Due to soft-body structure, scant remains are ever found in the fossil record, so the images (below) are not accurate, however, its difficult filling the gaps in when you don't have fossils, but you have even scientists themselves -- theorizing "fungi" of this nature existed in the precambrian. I gave it my best shot when producing the clips, but FUNGI are more accurately, the organisms described in Genesis Epoch Three. I'm only human...



Note: Many organisms of the Vendian or "Pre-Cambrian" remain a mystery, and are theorized to have had soft body plans leaving few fossils. A few which exist, resemble leaves.
Note: Many forms of plants are non-photosynthetic.
Note: A discovery of photosynthetic bacteria, was made by researchers deep in the Pacific Ocean around hydrothermal vents, in the total absence of sunlight.

While producing this video, I did not give it much thought but applied what I know (at least many) scientists have theorized about "life beginning around hydrothermal vents, in the total absence of sunlight". In fact, entire ecosystems are supported around hydrothermal vents in deep ocean waters. I've often made the same mistake Darwinists make, in thinking of early earth in terms the Earth is "now". In fact, when I first raised this question, Darwinists laughed at the preposterous idea, "plants in the deep sea, around hot springs.." -- nobody will be laughing now, realizing hot springs covered the surface of the earth once.
Back in Earth's earliest evolution, these hydrothermal vents would've been on open land, and not "deep under the ocean waters"...

Genesis is emphatic, "And God said, Let the earth bring forth... upon the earth..." and does not say, "in the depths of the ocean floor." For the most part, back then, the earth's surface in many spots, was what is today, the ocean floor.

So I would say indeed!, life began around hydrothermal vents, and hot springs were covering the earth's surface in early earth history.

Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth (tender) grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

















Genesis 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.



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If educated and reason-minded Christian men of science like Louis Agassiz found it plausible to embrace the concept of a supernatural entity at work in nature, then the possibility is good enough for me.

Science Fact: "The Sun and all the planets were formed at around the same time, depending on when you define the birth of the sun. Before the Sun became as it is today it was a proto sun, which had all the elements it has now but it just had not started the nuclear reaction which fuels today's sun. As the sun started to form from the debris of the dust/particle cloud so did all the planets."
The entire commentary (link).
The Earth is not Young, but the Sun's nuclear reaction, is... based on fossil evidence, a wee 500 million years old.

Astronomers Discover Coldest Star Ever [VIDEO]

Early Earth

But what about Stromatolites and photosynthesis 3.5 billion years ago?

That's covered here in full.

Had there been any sunlight, it would have never reached the surface of the Earth, anyway.

Early Earth

I profess my innocense of the crime of Bibliolatry, however, I am scathed with certain Atheists who've somehow came to the conclusion their deconversion (which soon lead to blasphemous attacks on people of faith and anti-religious tyrades) supposedly equal a one size fits all, "patent truth"(TM), or even worse, a "scientific truth." Only the religious minded are under the delusion they advance their creeds by deception and claims to possess a monopoly on "absolute truths". Not unlike their counterparts Theistic Fundamentalists, who also believe they monopolize some sacred "Truth of Truths"(TM)... yet in my years acquainting both extremes, not much appears to be about an actual search for greater truths, understanding or knowledge. Rather, hatred and bigotry tend to be the motivating factor behind their many senseless squabbles.

Straight from Scripture Commentary:

Trees Before Sunlight
See the King James Hebrew-Greek KeyWord Study Bible, AMG Publishers, 1991 for yet another reprint of this century-old LIE. This EVIL lie has been told and retold by theologians, biblical scholars, preachers and priests to paralyze brains of the religious, so that they may continue unabated generating billions in tithes and donations from the faithful, never again to question the dishonest anti-Darwinist rhetoric, so the church can continue fighting to stamp out truth and enlightenment. These men within the hallowed halls of the establishment of organized religion, just as those priests, the murderers of Jesus, are the enemies of God because "God" can only be found on the side of what is proven to be TRUTH. And I present the truth here vs. their evil lies that have deceived millions.

Prototaxites, A Fossil Fruiting Fungi, 'Tree'
Scientists discovered this fossilized, non-photosynthetic, fruiting "tree," and call it Prototaxites.

They said it couldn't be done, but here it is, thanks to modern science and praise to God for revealing the truth about the fossil record. Still waiting on evangelicals to address this fossil discovery and begin owning up to their wretched LIES and DAMNED LIES for over a century... if it looks, waddles and quacks like a tree... its probably a tree.
    "The various attempts to join together the biblical account of creation and evolution are not supportable by the various gap theories because the order of creation is in direct opposition to the views of modern science (e.g., the creation of trees before light.)"
Source: King James Hebrew-Greek KeyWord Study Bible, AMG Publishers, 1991

Yes, finally, trees exactly as described in Genesis, before, and without sunlight. And no, it's not another lame hoax. (Short) and (Long). See, Prototaxites, Fossilized "Fruiting Fungi," 'Tree'.

Also see Evolution of the Earliest Plant Organisms, specifically the "Fruiting Fungi" which fits an identical description,
1. Has fruit with "seed" (spores) inside itself, and
2. Can survive without sunlight (exactly as described in Genesis). Such organisms would have certainly existed during the Vendian/Precambrian.
3. For a long time, scientists presumed or presume a giant "mystery fungi" was a tree, a conifer, to be precise... and some have now described it as one of the "Fruiting Fungi".

Also, see "Fruit Trees Before Sunlight".

I Challenge All with this Thousand Dollar Question:
Please engage brain and point out where either term, "Create" or "Design," even appear in this text of Genesis?
Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth (tender) grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Genesis 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Still Waiting...

When you Atheists or Fundamentalist Xtian Darwin-haters can squeeze "creation" or "design" out of any of those verses which imply natural selection, let me know.

And yes Atheists... please spare your sermon. Don't preach to the choir. I know all too well what you believe.

Just because people become familiarized with Atheism, hardly means they are so blown away... so mesmerized with "The Truth"(TM) and taken in by a few persuasive argument fallacies that they automatically deconvert and lose faith. That they didn't accept your religion, hardly constitutes a lack of understanding. Perhaps it's just that Atheism is that unappealing. *The Shock* *The Awe* -- how could everyone not see things your way? They're just in denial. (Sound familiar?) Every religious adherent is *in shock* and *in awe* when others do not want to buy into their brand of religion and they fail to convince potential converts. Just as my views might not interest you, well, perhaps I am fully understanding your views and yet, Atheism still remains just that unappealing. Mainly because of the hateful attitudes and blatant lies that often accompany "The Truth"(TM). Any religion that has that extent of negativity in it can't be good for anyone's emotional well-being. Meanwhile, I fully understand why most people will not subscribe to my views. Foremost, it requires a minimal amount of knowledge of several scientific fields of study and secondly, reasoning that requires "thinking outside the box". Lastly, I'm not proposing to have any "One and Only Truth(TM)". Just presenting scientific facts whilst challenging long-held cherished falsehoods as well as faith in people to exercise critical reasoning and make up their own minds, and whatever conclusion people may arrive at is fine with me.

Trees and Plants Before Sunlight
Documentary from "The Soviet Story,"
Jim Jones was a Communist
Eddie Vedder
Stage Name Marilyn Manson
Alice in Chains

The religious establishment and their twisted evil twin, anti-religion baiters said it couldn't be done, yet...

TREES INDEED!

Vegetation, Herbs and Trees Before Sunlight.
Oh well, I guess that dashes arguments of Atheists and Science-Hating fundamentalists to little itsy bitsy pieces.
(and more found here)

Karl Marx Created Adolf Hitler
Darwin's theory did not create Hitler as some have accused, nor did Hitler's Socialism have anything to do with Jesus Christ or Christianity. Besides Eugenics programme in early American history and over 27 states which had sterilization laws on the books before the time of Nazi Germany, Hitler derived his version of Communist ideologue, "National Socialism" directly from the Socialism of Karl Marx, advocate of the most malevolent version of toxic Atheism, and author of The Communist Manifesto which lead to the bloody death toll of at least 100 million in the 20th Century alone and the killing continues ...
See Anti-Communism

For more information on Communism, and the ghastly death tolls:

The Black Book of Communism
Black Book of Communism
Amazon

Harvard University Press
Communist regimes around the globe are responsible for a greater number of deaths than any other political ideal or movement. It takes a brick of a book to provide the crushing scope of this murderous ideology, that killed tens of millions in the 20th Century and that will continue to kill.

And while we're on the subject, let's set the record straight about Jim Jones, another evil, toxic atheist and Marxist-Leninist.
"How could I demonstrate my Marxism? The thought was, infiltrate the church."
- Jim Jones, founder of the murderous "People's Temple," a disgusting Atheist and Marxist degenerate camouflaged under the guise of being "A man of God".
Carried out to the instruction as Marxist Revolutionary Vladimir Lenin, founder of the USSR, stated a necessity to infiltrate the Church, because the religious will '"swallow anything" if it is wrapped in religious terms.'

Hitler, Messiah, Anti-Christ
Like Atheist Stalin, Hitler wages a war against people of all religion.
(See Commentary Link.)

Communists murdered 100 Million over the past century.

Communist party members are Atheists.

And no, sorry, but Joseph Stalin was not a Christian because he attended seminary once and Christianity did not turn him into a butcher. George Bernard Shaw was no Christian either when he openly supported Hitler and mass genocide by gassing.

“I’m an atheist and I thank God for it.”
- George Bernard Shaw

Atheists know this doesn't look good when they attempt to convert people to Atheism, and people are aware of the death tolls under Communist regimes so Atheists will do mental cartwheels to conveniently deny history or come up with some other lame twisted argument fallacy to explain away the atrocities committed by Atheists, such as, "Communists worship the state," I suppose therefore they're not Atheists?? Hogwash! Enough of the silly grammar school semantics!! That's not what the Communist Party is saying, Atheists!! To become a member of the Atheist State Religion, ooops, I mean Communist Party, you must be a sworn Atheist. No exceptions!

Darwin was never the problem. ATHEISM was the problem!? No wonder Christians rejected Darwin's theory after people like George Bernard Shaw and Karl Marx latched on to it like the parasites they were!

I believe in the religion of Love which the Prophet Jesus Christ taught.
So, Atheists! Looks like that agenda to convert the world to your religion of atheism has alas backfired. Your hate propaganda has turned people off. People as a whole are still as spiritual as ever, if not more so. Oh, don't delude yourself, people understand very very well what you believe, and I know all too well what you believe with your religion of hate. Whatever side you're on, I'm not there!!!

My favorite Atheist, Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam, whose wonderful song "Jeremy" brought attention to the anguish of kids who deal with school bullies vs. my least favorite

Mr. Brian Warner, aka Marilyn "Who Needs Fred Phelps?" Manson? guilty of regularly bullying and abusing his employees, both physically and mentally. THE VIDEOS ARE DISTURBING. Just "boys being boys"? or more age old ignorance that leads to a society of bullies. Most people have heard about the evil antics, but remain oblivious to the level of inappropriate bullying and ruthless violence even band members apparently have grown weary of.

Saving the best for last.

Sorry 'tis not Atheist that I can tell, but it is Alice in Chains. My favorite band of all time, brazenly questioning religious dogma and rhetoric.

And not to forget my commentary on the meaning of Soundgarden: Black Hole Sun A must read... or at least, a must-listen!