Day #3 Could Life Exist in a Sunless World?

Genesis 1:11-13
"...And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the third day..."
The YLT Version notes *tender
And the earth bringeth forth tender grass, herb sowing seed after its kind, and tree making fruit (whose seed is in itself) after its kind; and God seeth that it is good;

* according to popular theories about Vendian organism their lack of hard-body structure which explains lack of fossils, as it stands, why mention "tender" in Genesis at all, unless it implies a soft-body plan.

The King James Version of the Bible (Copyright 1972, Nelson Publishers) concurs with the following footnote,


More from the Atlas of the Prehistoric World on the mystery of the Vendian organisms,



I took a peek at some of the very fascinating research that is taking place with Lichens today, too. Seems these things are not like most organisms in the plant or animal kingdom, and able to "shut down" and "turn back on" when supplied with water... a life expectancy of approximately thousands of years. Amazing, isn't it? That's including varying light sources.. surviving under snow for indefinate periods of time.. they simply "shut down".

The following information I retrieved from (fairly reliable) websites, including some research papers available on the web which are written in technical terms, but the research focuses on the following (simpler terms) information. (i.e., lichens in light, lichens in dark... one suggested, "The dissimilarity between 3H and 14C labelling patterns has led to the conclusion that polyols synthesized in the absence of photosynthesis must be derived from other stored substrates within the thallus."

Amazing life span.

Canada's Polar Life - Lichens
Lichens are hardy plants, in that they have the ability to "bounce back" from prolonged periods of dessication. They simply absorb water when it is available, wither into a state of dormancy when it is not, and come back to life once they are moistened again. Scientists have studied the extremely slow growth rates of lichens – in particular, map lichen, Rhizocarpon geographicum, and jewel lichen, Xanthoria elegans – and have discovered that these lichens can live more than 4500 years! The constant growth rates of some lichens have been put to good use, as a tool to estimate the age of landforms, such as moraines. The larger the lichen patch, the older the moraine.

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Lichen Habitat
When lichens are wet, they "turn on" and start photosynthesizing and growing. When lichens are dry, they "turn off", become brittle and go dormant. This process is known as "poikilohydry", and other organisms such as mosses and liverworts operate in the same way.
The simplest way to tell if lichen is dormant or growing is by looking at its color. The darker black or brighter green lichen is, chances are that it is photosynthesizing. Of course, if it is wet and pliable, that is a good indication too.
If lichen looks pale and is dry and brittle, then it is dormant and waiting for the next rain or fog event before it starts photosynthesizing.


This could work well for an organism exposed to volcanic activity (as in the Pacific Hydrothermal vents and photosynthetic bacteria in the absence of sunlight), in a sunless world... the lichen needs very little light to survive in even hostile conditions (like those believed to exist in earth's earlier history).


Source: Atlas of the Prehistoric World
Discovery Channel Books, Douglas Palmer, P. 56

The book states:
The Vendian Seaworld
The organisms that lived in the shallow-water seas of Vendian times have puzzled paleontologists for many years. They were all completely soft bodied -- no trace of any hard parts have been found. At first they were thought to be jellyfish and wormlike creatures. But the way their bodies are preserved suggest that they were made of tougher material. Some of them seem to have lived within the seabed and had saclike bodies filled with sand. However, some of the plumed-shaped forms, such as Charnia, are similar to living seapens and sea-anemones.


Sea Anemones?

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Plant-like Animals. Invertebrates. Sea Anemones; Northern Coral; Hydroids; Bryozoans; Tube Worms; Barnacles; Sponges; Sea Squirts ...
http://njscuba.net/biology/sw_plant-like.html

Plant or Animal? A sea anemone looks a lot like a plant. It's even named after a kind of flower. But it's really an ocean-dwelling animal, related to corals and jellyfish. An anemone's waving "petals" are stinging tentacles for zapping and trapping. An anemone may use them to stun or even kill prey. Or it may just dine on drifting animal bits. Either way, the anemone uses its wiggling tentacles like ...
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-17408808.html


Scientists are mystified by these early organisms... and most of all, for 3 billion years of "bacteria baking under the sun (that's presumably there," why the lack of hard-body plans in these organisms? Scant fossils, because the organisms were too soft to fossilize? In fact, why the lack of hard-body organisms in general? 3.5 billion years is an awful long time, for bacteria baking under the sun, and nothing happens.... "natural selection" and "random mutations" proposed by Darwinists, simply sit idle. The conditions they propose (if true) should've produced plants and complex organism in great abundance around 3 billion years ago vs. the wee 500 million years ago (as the fossil record shows). Afterall, the atmosphere was loaded with Carbon Dioxide and ideally suited for the proliferation of bacteria to evolve into plants.... but it didn't happen that way.
On this note, Natural Selection is faced with a huge gap... a gap that lasted around 3 billion years, and just a little too much Darwinism to swallow.

The oldest evidence of life on earth remains at around 3.8 thru 3.5 billion years, with a carbon molecule extracted from a rock and, stromatolites (cyanobacterial activity formation on rocks). As shown here-in, a discovery in the deep Pacific, in total darkness where photosynthetic bacteria, can and do photosynthesize around the dim light of hydrothermal vents, and from the Earth's own energy.

In all this time, 3.5 billion years... where are the living organisms that Natural Selection predicts? The fossil record is empty.

The presence of sunlight would necessitate hard-body plans to retain moisture. Left alone on dry ground, the sun would bake a soft-bodied organism, dehydration, then death. But this "crazy hypothesis" is precisely what science has hypothesized as the cause behind the lack of fossils during the Vendian: Soft Body Plans. A dark world (without sunlight) would be ideally suited and could indeed support an ecosystem filled with non-photosynthetic organisms... even a limited number of Photosynthetic organisms, as was recently discovered in the deep Pacific, in the total absence of sunlight.

(See Recent Discovery of Green Sulfur Bacteria on From a Deep Sea Hydrothermal Vent :

Recent Discovery of Green Sulfur Bacteria on From a Deep Sea Hydrothermal Vent
The work of Beatty, Blankenship, et al. (2005) lead to the discovery of a previously undiscovered species that lives in the near vicinity of a deep-sea hydrothermal vent in the East Pacific Rise (Figure 5). The region from which the microbe was extracted is spotted with volcanic sites and many different types of underwater vents, making the area ideal for discovering new photosynthetic anaerobes. Although it is possible to verify the presence of organisms by analyzing samples of bulk DNA, Beatty et al. took a different approach to discern the presence of intact cells. They took samples of ocean water for cultivation rather than direct PCR amplification of bulk DNA. Samples were grown in medium prepared specifically for the cultivation of green and purple photosynthetic bacteria. Incubation occurred at 25 degrees C and a weak fluorescent light, as well as a 60-watt incandescent bulb, was turned on to provide a source of photons.


It is well-known fact, Earth is its earlier geological stages were covered in volcanic activity, providing a localized source for light and any photosynthetic bacteria and plant life to thrive. Let's be earnest with ourselves, if scientists can propose the "crazy theory" that this discovery somehow supports the "...hypothesis that life exists on other planets devoid of star-light. In addition to providing supporting evidence for extraterrestrial life..."

But Darwinists say we're not suppose to dare theorize that these events took place, right here on Earth in the early geological record.

*shreiking* fears of God, and Genesis, and if the Genesis account is true... "we might be obligated to obey those awful commandments that would have kept us from having so much fun..."

The author below, is speaking of our modern photosynthetic-dependent ecosystem, and not of an ecosystem comprised entirely of organisms that are non-photosynthetic, or primarily non-photosynthetic (as holds true with the example of mistletoe).

In the absence of light, life on earth [note mine: as it stands in current world] would not exist. Biological photosynthesis is among the most important reactions on planet earth that allows life to thrive. It was long thought that life was restricted primarily to photic zones where photosynthetic primary producers could access the light needed to drive their metabolism. This view was challenged with the discovery of green sulfur bacteria that grow deep in the ocean floor. Green sulfur bacteria are photosynthetic microbes that are capable of thriving in ecological regions that have extremely low levels of solar radiation. It has been proposed that certain types of green sulfur bacteria use what is known as Geothermal Radiation to supplement their chemotrophic metabolism. The emission of photons from geothermal vents could have provided a selective advantage to chemotrophic ancestors of modern day green sulfur bacteria that utilized light sensing systems to perform phototaxis towards sulfur-rich geothermal vents (3). A new microbial world at the bottom of the ocean adds to our knowledge of the incredible biological diversity that our planet planet nurtures and sheds light on a new ecological system.
On Earth, the discovery of a photosynthetic species capable of using geothermal radiation, rather than solar sources, helps support the hypothesis that life [...] on Earth originated in conditions similar to those displayed in the vicinity surrounding deep sea hydrothermal vents.
In green sulfur bacteria, the harvesting of light is in part carried out by the Fenna-Matthews-Olson protein (FMO). Based on the current literature, the FMO protein is thought to belong uniquely to the green sulfur bacteria (4). The chlorobiaceae contain Fe-S type reaction centers that share an ancestor with oxygenic photosynthetic organisms that utilize photosystem I (4).

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If educated and reason-minded Christian men of science like Louis Agassiz found it plausible to embrace the concept of a supernatural entity at work in nature, then the possibility is good enough for me.

Science Fact: "The Sun and all the planets were formed at around the same time, depending on when you define the birth of the sun. Before the Sun became as it is today it was a proto sun, which had all the elements it has now but it just had not started the nuclear reaction which fuels today's sun. As the sun started to form from the debris of the dust/particle cloud so did all the planets."
The entire commentary (link).
The Earth is not Young, but the Sun's nuclear reaction, is... based on fossil evidence, a wee 500 million years old.

Astronomers Discover Coldest Star Ever [VIDEO]

Early Earth

But what about Stromatolites and photosynthesis 3.5 billion years ago?

That's covered here in full.

Had there been any sunlight, it would have never reached the surface of the Earth, anyway.

Early Earth

I profess my innocense of the crime of Bibliolatry, however, I am scathed with certain Atheists who've somehow came to the conclusion their deconversion (which soon lead to blasphemous attacks on people of faith and anti-religious tyrades) supposedly equal a one size fits all, "patent truth"(TM), or even worse, a "scientific truth." Only the religious minded are under the delusion they advance their creeds by deception and claims to possess a monopoly on "absolute truths". Not unlike their counterparts Theistic Fundamentalists, who also believe they monopolize some sacred "Truth of Truths"(TM)... yet in my years acquainting both extremes, not much appears to be about an actual search for greater truths, understanding or knowledge. Rather, hatred and bigotry tend to be the motivating factor behind their many senseless squabbles.

Straight from Scripture Commentary:

Trees Before Sunlight
See the King James Hebrew-Greek KeyWord Study Bible, AMG Publishers, 1991 for yet another reprint of this century-old LIE. This EVIL lie has been told and retold by theologians, biblical scholars, preachers and priests to paralyze brains of the religious, so that they may continue unabated generating billions in tithes and donations from the faithful, never again to question the dishonest anti-Darwinist rhetoric, so the church can continue fighting to stamp out truth and enlightenment. These men within the hallowed halls of the establishment of organized religion, just as those priests, the murderers of Jesus, are the enemies of God because "God" can only be found on the side of what is proven to be TRUTH. And I present the truth here vs. their evil lies that have deceived millions.

Prototaxites, A Fossil Fruiting Fungi, 'Tree'
Scientists discovered this fossilized, non-photosynthetic, fruiting "tree," and call it Prototaxites.

They said it couldn't be done, but here it is, thanks to modern science and praise to God for revealing the truth about the fossil record. Still waiting on evangelicals to address this fossil discovery and begin owning up to their wretched LIES and DAMNED LIES for over a century... if it looks, waddles and quacks like a tree... its probably a tree.
    "The various attempts to join together the biblical account of creation and evolution are not supportable by the various gap theories because the order of creation is in direct opposition to the views of modern science (e.g., the creation of trees before light.)"
Source: King James Hebrew-Greek KeyWord Study Bible, AMG Publishers, 1991

Yes, finally, trees exactly as described in Genesis, before, and without sunlight. And no, it's not another lame hoax. (Short) and (Long). See, Prototaxites, Fossilized "Fruiting Fungi," 'Tree'.

Also see Evolution of the Earliest Plant Organisms, specifically the "Fruiting Fungi" which fits an identical description,
1. Has fruit with "seed" (spores) inside itself, and
2. Can survive without sunlight (exactly as described in Genesis). Such organisms would have certainly existed during the Vendian/Precambrian.
3. For a long time, scientists presumed or presume a giant "mystery fungi" was a tree, a conifer, to be precise... and some have now described it as one of the "Fruiting Fungi".

Also, see "Fruit Trees Before Sunlight".

I Challenge All with this Thousand Dollar Question:
Please engage brain and point out where either term, "Create" or "Design," even appear in this text of Genesis?
Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth (tender) grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Genesis 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Still Waiting...

When you Atheists or Fundamentalist Xtian Darwin-haters can squeeze "creation" or "design" out of any of those verses which imply natural selection, let me know.

And yes Atheists... please spare your sermon. Don't preach to the choir. I know all too well what you believe.

Just because people become familiarized with Atheism, hardly means they are so blown away... so mesmerized with "The Truth"(TM) and taken in by a few persuasive argument fallacies that they automatically deconvert and lose faith. That they didn't accept your religion, hardly constitutes a lack of understanding. Perhaps it's just that Atheism is that unappealing. *The Shock* *The Awe* -- how could everyone not see things your way? They're just in denial. (Sound familiar?) Every religious adherent is *in shock* and *in awe* when others do not want to buy into their brand of religion and they fail to convince potential converts. Just as my views might not interest you, well, perhaps I am fully understanding your views and yet, Atheism still remains just that unappealing. Mainly because of the hateful attitudes and blatant lies that often accompany "The Truth"(TM). Any religion that has that extent of negativity in it can't be good for anyone's emotional well-being. Meanwhile, I fully understand why most people will not subscribe to my views. Foremost, it requires a minimal amount of knowledge of several scientific fields of study and secondly, reasoning that requires "thinking outside the box". Lastly, I'm not proposing to have any "One and Only Truth(TM)". Just presenting scientific facts whilst challenging long-held cherished falsehoods as well as faith in people to exercise critical reasoning and make up their own minds, and whatever conclusion people may arrive at is fine with me.

Trees and Plants Before Sunlight
Documentary from "The Soviet Story,"
Jim Jones was a Communist
Eddie Vedder
Stage Name Marilyn Manson
Alice in Chains

The religious establishment and their twisted evil twin, anti-religion baiters said it couldn't be done, yet...

TREES INDEED!

Vegetation, Herbs and Trees Before Sunlight.
Oh well, I guess that dashes arguments of Atheists and Science-Hating fundamentalists to little itsy bitsy pieces.
(and more found here)

Karl Marx Created Adolf Hitler
Darwin's theory did not create Hitler as some have accused, nor did Hitler's Socialism have anything to do with Jesus Christ or Christianity. Besides Eugenics programme in early American history and over 27 states which had sterilization laws on the books before the time of Nazi Germany, Hitler derived his version of Communist ideologue, "National Socialism" directly from the Socialism of Karl Marx, advocate of the most malevolent version of toxic Atheism, and author of The Communist Manifesto which lead to the bloody death toll of at least 100 million in the 20th Century alone and the killing continues ...
See Anti-Communism

For more information on Communism, and the ghastly death tolls:

The Black Book of Communism
Black Book of Communism
Amazon

Harvard University Press
Communist regimes around the globe are responsible for a greater number of deaths than any other political ideal or movement. It takes a brick of a book to provide the crushing scope of this murderous ideology, that killed tens of millions in the 20th Century and that will continue to kill.

And while we're on the subject, let's set the record straight about Jim Jones, another evil, toxic atheist and Marxist-Leninist.
"How could I demonstrate my Marxism? The thought was, infiltrate the church."
- Jim Jones, founder of the murderous "People's Temple," a disgusting Atheist and Marxist degenerate camouflaged under the guise of being "A man of God".
Carried out to the instruction as Marxist Revolutionary Vladimir Lenin, founder of the USSR, stated a necessity to infiltrate the Church, because the religious will '"swallow anything" if it is wrapped in religious terms.'

Hitler, Messiah, Anti-Christ
Like Atheist Stalin, Hitler wages a war against people of all religion.
(See Commentary Link.)

Communists murdered 100 Million over the past century.

Communist party members are Atheists.

And no, sorry, but Joseph Stalin was not a Christian because he attended seminary once and Christianity did not turn him into a butcher. George Bernard Shaw was no Christian either when he openly supported Hitler and mass genocide by gassing.

I’m an atheist and I thank God for it.”
- George Bernard Shaw

Atheists know this doesn't look good when they attempt to convert people to Atheism, and people are aware of the death tolls under Communist regimes so Atheists will do mental cartwheels to conveniently deny history or come up with some other lame twisted argument fallacy to explain away the atrocities committed by Atheists, such as, "Communists worship the state," I suppose therefore they're not Atheists?? Hogwash! Enough of the silly grammar school semantics!! That's not what the Communist Party is saying, Atheists!! To become a member of the Atheist State Religion, ooops, I mean Communist Party, you must be a sworn Atheist. No exceptions!

Darwin was never the problem. ATHEISM was the problem!? No wonder Christians rejected Darwin's theory after people like George Bernard Shaw and Karl Marx latched on to it like the parasites they were!

I believe in the religion of Love which the Prophet Jesus Christ taught.
So, Atheists! Looks like that agenda to convert the world to your religion of atheism has alas backfired. Your hate propaganda has turned people off. People as a whole are still as spiritual as ever, if not more so. Oh, don't delude yourself, people understand very very well what you believe, and I know all too well what you believe with your religion of hate. Whatever side you're on, I'm not there!!!

My favorite Atheist, Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam, whose wonderful song "Jeremy" brought attention to the anguish of kids who deal with school bullies vs. my least favorite

Mr. Brian Warner, aka Marilyn "Who Needs Fred Phelps?" Manson? guilty of regularly bullying and abusing his employees, both physically and mentally. THE VIDEOS ARE DISTURBING. Just "boys being boys"? or more age old ignorance that leads to a society of bullies. Most people have heard about the evil antics, but remain oblivious to the level of inappropriate bullying and ruthless violence even band members apparently have grown weary of.

Saving the best for last.

Sorry 'tis not Atheist that I can tell, but it is Alice in Chains. My favorite band of all time, brazenly questioning religious dogma and rhetoric.

And not to forget my commentary on the meaning of Soundgarden: Black Hole Sun A must read... or at least, a must-listen!