In light of my post, "My Favorite Atheist" which incidentally deals with Eddie Vedder and Pearl Jam's meaningful lyrics/video about bullying in the song "Jeremy," I thought I'd post here about my least favorite Atheist, Marilyn Manson. I did not arrive at this conclusion overnight, but after years of observing the effects he has had on people I've known, reading his anti-religious, hateful rhetoric in interviews, and then witnessing his violent tyrades on-stage.
Drummer "Ginger Fish" being carried off stage by roadies after Marilyn Manson, aka birth-name, Brian Warner knocked him unconscience for no apparent reason than a need of anger management classes... some have posted upon seeing such video, that its "fake" or "acting". I'm afraid, this may be Hollyweird, but its real.
According to Wikipedia,
If anyone thinks the video is fake, it may or may not be the incident reported by media. Here's an article which pretty much sums up Manson/Brian Warner's true violent-prone, criminal mentality:
The video clip where Manson deliberately threw a mic stand at "Ginger Fish" wasn't an act. That's how Manson is in real life, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. A bonafide self-centered jerk, bully and thug. Those who were in doubt, posting it was "acting" and "fake" for publicity are sadly looking at the obvious: what it is like to be in an ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP, and thier eyes telling them, "Manson is an abusive bully" but their brain tells them, "It's Hollyweird, therefore it can't be real." A clear case of cognitive dissonance. Behavior so unfathomable, that the brain doesn't want to believe what the eyes are seeing. The camera doesn't lie in this case. It may have been a separate event, but the "Lakeland Ledger" cite on Wikipedia, clearly states his collarbone was broken.
Why does the media (Donahue, et al) keep running to this person, Brian Warner, aka Charles Manson as though he's actually got any kind of positive message in the music mix? Do our eyes deceive us THAT badly, as though he has anything positive to contribute to society? The media are definately under the Anne Frank delusion, that basically, there's good in every human. No, some people are thoroughly nihilist; mind, body, soul, and out to destroy the world and write songs of their love affair with destruction: the total collapse of civilization through amoral, immoral degeneracy.
Looking at the violent scenes on youtube, various individuals filmed of Manson, I began asking myself, "Now, if this were Mel Gibson beating up people, just what would the media say!?" Or, try to imagine if it were any average guy on the street beating up on his wife, or his kids in the manner Manson beats up on his band members... oh, but we think to ourselves, "Boys will be boys!" and excuse this kind of behavior because its male on male violence, therefore "acceptable"? If boys are to ever learn that bullying is not the right way to act, then a clear message needs to be sent across to such people that it is NOT socially acceptable behavior for males to bully males.
From what I gather at Wikipedia, just a few of the people who couldn't stand performing with the verbally and physically abusive Brian Warner, aka Marilyn Manson... resulting in a revolving door of musicians who could barely tolerate his outbursts, or have left the band over time, include, but not limited to : Twiggy Ramirez • Andy Gerold • Ginger Fish • Chris Vrenna Wes Borland • Rob Holliday • Tim Sköld • Madonna Wayne Gacy • Mark Chaussee • John 5 • Zim Zum • Daisy Berkowitz • Sara Lee Lucas • Gidget Gein • Olivia Newton Bundy • Zsa Zsa Speck )
Manson is teaching the next generation of thugs, how to become the biggest, meanest, nastiest bully on the block. Not coping skills, and certainly not how to make the world a better place, and least of all, Marilyn Manson is not doing a thing about the "bully problem". Marilyn Manson is the epitomy of THE bully problem.
Just "making it up"?
Here's clips of Marilyn Manson, aka Brian Warner bullying "John 5".
Another clip of the regular harrassment and bullying of John 5
There's nothing fun about being a victim of male-on-male bullying, whether you're a male or female.
By comparison you can say Manson has done for schoolyard bullying, what Al Gore has done for the environment! Yet the media continues to go to this monster for his opinion on "how to solve the world's male-on-male violence issues"... why just yesterday, I watched a 2 part video on that very subject! None other than Marilyn Manson providing his personal philosophical insights on just that: the root of male-on-male violence. =/ and of course he was blaming religion.
Take a moment and listen to his "wordly wisdom" and blame-game, and more of his anti-bullying spiel, when he himself is in desperate need of a long-look in the mirror of soul-searching and hypocrisy!
Why doesn't Mr. Brian Warner, aka Marilyn Manson take responsibility for his own actions and stop blaming others for his behaviorial issues with bullying? No televangelist put that mic stand in his hand to break his drummer's neck. He's a lowlife bully. A thug. When will the media wake up to the blood and broken bones they can see with their own eyes? Realize almost everything (supposedly philosophical) that ushers from the mouth of this atheist "Marilyn Manson" has been and is, and will be, a lie. In show biz terms, Brian Warner is a SELL OUT on the cause he claimed to defend in the beginning. His rhetoric against bullies? He has proven himself to be one of the music industry's biggest bullies. Mr. Warner is not there to promote any kind of tolerance, social responsibility, morality or solution to male-on-male violence, as can be seen in further clips of Manson's outlandishly childish outbursts and tyrades of flaming uncontrolled temper tantrums against his "friends".
Marilyn Manson hurls mic at band member Zim Zum
Marilyn Manson attacks band member Twiggy at :44
More senseless aggressions and violence against drummer Ginger Fish
Just what are we teaching the children by our behavior? Mr. Brian Warner needs to know his actions speak far louder than all his empty words and rhetoric. Male on male aggression and bullying is NOT acceptable, and NOT appropriate as an example to young men. If the Marilyn Mansons of the world cannot be brought under control by their own peers then just how do we expect children to get the schoolyard bullies under control?
Manson's solution is violence: Eye for an eye, from which we end up with a world of blind people.
Now back to Manson's continued attacks on "Christian Morality"...
John 5 didn't sign up to street brawl. He's a musician by trade -- but with blockheads like Manson you're stuck deciding between "Do I forfeit the contract, do I throw down, right here, and whip this loser in front of the audience and risk getting my own busted up in the process? or do I do fulfil on my obligation to contract?" For whatever reasons, John 5 chose to compose himself, back off and stick with the contract and keep on playing like the intelligent, talented musician he is. I sensed that, having been bullied, deciding between quitting and my job. Been there myself, trying to hold down a job, and people just keep hacking on ya, hacking on ya, hacking on ya... John 5 is a musician who doesn't want anything to do with street level gang warfare (needless to say has probably went on to much better things, like one of the band members went on to build up "Nine Inch Nails" one of the most successful bands of the past decade). Yet, as expected, all Manson has to offer is more ridicule and ranting against former members.
... I don't care if anyone's homosexual or not, no human being deserves to be treated the way Brian Warner treats his employees. That level of abuse is disgusting, we put up with it on school yards, in the workplace, unfortunately even in some churches to some degree or another. Are we intelligent human beings, or animals? Manson needs to point that finger at himself for a change. Himself is where "Change" must begin.
Brian Warner, aka Marilyn Manson is somewhat of a hypocrite even bolstering communism, when he regularly abuses his own employees like chattel, in the manner of a typical greedy capitalist. (I am referencing his lyrics "Beautiful People" which speaks against Christianity and Capitalism as "the problem"). Exploitation of workers, is all part and parcel of "the problem".
Unfortunately, when the day is done, Marilyn Manson, aka Brian Warner is not left with a message. And for posterity, who needs Fred Phelps, when you've got abusers like Marilyn Manson to hate on homosexuals and people with differences? According to former band-mate John 5 (regularly abused / bullied by Manson) : "It was on my birthday, and he turned to me and said, "Happy birthday, faggot" — then walked away." From the video footage, I have every reason to believe this description of behavior is well within the norm for Brian Warner, and on the question of the recent suicide of Tyler Clementi the Rutgers University kid, due to bullying and harrassment of homosexual men? I'm sure Mr. Brian Warner, aka Marilyn Manson in all his Atheist morality thought it was "all in good fun," "wholesome amusement," and merely that "boys will be boys".
Manson's perversion is not the solution, he is THE problem with society and THE reason males bully males. Until the Mansons of the world decide to change themselves, bullying will continue, and sadly, kids like Tyler Clementi will continue to commit suicide.
It's not "Adult Entertainment," Mr. Brian Warner, and if you refuse to change, don't expect other bullies to. Don't waste your breath or our time preaching to society, about bullies or the parents of bullies willingness to change, because "Change" begins one person at a time, beginning with yourself.
Drummer "Ginger Fish" being carried off stage by roadies after Marilyn Manson, aka birth-name, Brian Warner knocked him unconscience for no apparent reason than a need of anger management classes... some have posted upon seeing such video, that its "fake" or "acting". I'm afraid, this may be Hollyweird, but its real.
According to Wikipedia,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginger_FishThat injury was not a "joke" nor was it acting, nor was it "fake" as some remarked who couldn't believe their own eyes... it's incomprehensible for some to believe Manson is one of his own "horrible people, horrible people..." after so much rhetoric against the bullies, the in crowd, the predators.
Kenneth Robert Wilson (born September 28, 1966), known by the stage name Ginger Fish, is an American drummer who is primarily known for playing drums for Marilyn Manson.[1] Like Marilyn Manson, which combines the names of an iconic beauty with a serial killer, his name combines those of Ginger Rogers and Albert Fish.[2]
References
^ "Marilyn Manson Drummer Injured at Concert". Lakeland Ledger. November 29, 2000.
If anyone thinks the video is fake, it may or may not be the incident reported by media. Here's an article which pretty much sums up Manson/Brian Warner's true violent-prone, criminal mentality:
The video clip where Manson deliberately threw a mic stand at "Ginger Fish" wasn't an act. That's how Manson is in real life, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. A bonafide self-centered jerk, bully and thug. Those who were in doubt, posting it was "acting" and "fake" for publicity are sadly looking at the obvious: what it is like to be in an ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP, and thier eyes telling them, "Manson is an abusive bully" but their brain tells them, "It's Hollyweird, therefore it can't be real." A clear case of cognitive dissonance. Behavior so unfathomable, that the brain doesn't want to believe what the eyes are seeing. The camera doesn't lie in this case. It may have been a separate event, but the "Lakeland Ledger" cite on Wikipedia, clearly states his collarbone was broken.
Why does the media (Donahue, et al) keep running to this person, Brian Warner, aka Charles Manson as though he's actually got any kind of positive message in the music mix? Do our eyes deceive us THAT badly, as though he has anything positive to contribute to society? The media are definately under the Anne Frank delusion, that basically, there's good in every human. No, some people are thoroughly nihilist; mind, body, soul, and out to destroy the world and write songs of their love affair with destruction: the total collapse of civilization through amoral, immoral degeneracy.
Looking at the violent scenes on youtube, various individuals filmed of Manson, I began asking myself, "Now, if this were Mel Gibson beating up people, just what would the media say!?" Or, try to imagine if it were any average guy on the street beating up on his wife, or his kids in the manner Manson beats up on his band members... oh, but we think to ourselves, "Boys will be boys!" and excuse this kind of behavior because its male on male violence, therefore "acceptable"? If boys are to ever learn that bullying is not the right way to act, then a clear message needs to be sent across to such people that it is NOT socially acceptable behavior for males to bully males.
From what I gather at Wikipedia, just a few of the people who couldn't stand performing with the verbally and physically abusive Brian Warner, aka Marilyn Manson... resulting in a revolving door of musicians who could barely tolerate his outbursts, or have left the band over time, include, but not limited to : Twiggy Ramirez • Andy Gerold • Ginger Fish • Chris Vrenna Wes Borland • Rob Holliday • Tim Sköld • Madonna Wayne Gacy • Mark Chaussee • John 5 • Zim Zum • Daisy Berkowitz • Sara Lee Lucas • Gidget Gein • Olivia Newton Bundy • Zsa Zsa Speck )
Manson is teaching the next generation of thugs, how to become the biggest, meanest, nastiest bully on the block. Not coping skills, and certainly not how to make the world a better place, and least of all, Marilyn Manson is not doing a thing about the "bully problem". Marilyn Manson is the epitomy of THE bully problem.
Fallout with Marilyn Manson
John 5's reasons for leaving Marilyn Manson were cited as being mutual, despite the mysterious nature of his sudden firing by Manson's manager in 2004. John was quoted at the time as saying about the incident, "I don't know. . . I was nothing but nice to him," he continued. "I never screwed up onstage — well not really badly — and I did everything I could to get along with him. Maybe, just maybe, it had something to do with the fact that I don't drink or do drugs, and he's not like that at all. Maybe he held that against me. I don't know. He never said." John 5 was notorious among fans as being drug and alcohol free. Before the incident, Manson had assaulted John on stage, notably, Manson kicked John in the face during a televised performance, leading to a brief confrontation in front of a packed and roaring audience. This was during the intro to "The Beautiful People", when played at the Rock Am Ring 2003. Also, during the tour John maintains that Manson spoke about matters other than business only once, "It was on my birthday, and he turned to me and said, "Happy birthday, faggot" — then walked away."
Just "making it up"?
Here's clips of Marilyn Manson, aka Brian Warner bullying "John 5".
Another clip of the regular harrassment and bullying of John 5
There's nothing fun about being a victim of male-on-male bullying, whether you're a male or female.
By comparison you can say Manson has done for schoolyard bullying, what Al Gore has done for the environment! Yet the media continues to go to this monster for his opinion on "how to solve the world's male-on-male violence issues"... why just yesterday, I watched a 2 part video on that very subject! None other than Marilyn Manson providing his personal philosophical insights on just that: the root of male-on-male violence. =/ and of course he was blaming religion.
Take a moment and listen to his "wordly wisdom" and blame-game, and more of his anti-bullying spiel, when he himself is in desperate need of a long-look in the mirror of soul-searching and hypocrisy!
Why doesn't Mr. Brian Warner, aka Marilyn Manson take responsibility for his own actions and stop blaming others for his behaviorial issues with bullying? No televangelist put that mic stand in his hand to break his drummer's neck. He's a lowlife bully. A thug. When will the media wake up to the blood and broken bones they can see with their own eyes? Realize almost everything (supposedly philosophical) that ushers from the mouth of this atheist "Marilyn Manson" has been and is, and will be, a lie. In show biz terms, Brian Warner is a SELL OUT on the cause he claimed to defend in the beginning. His rhetoric against bullies? He has proven himself to be one of the music industry's biggest bullies. Mr. Warner is not there to promote any kind of tolerance, social responsibility, morality or solution to male-on-male violence, as can be seen in further clips of Manson's outlandishly childish outbursts and tyrades of flaming uncontrolled temper tantrums against his "friends".
Marilyn Manson hurls mic at band member Zim Zum
Marilyn Manson attacks band member Twiggy at :44
More senseless aggressions and violence against drummer Ginger Fish
Just what are we teaching the children by our behavior? Mr. Brian Warner needs to know his actions speak far louder than all his empty words and rhetoric. Male on male aggression and bullying is NOT acceptable, and NOT appropriate as an example to young men. If the Marilyn Mansons of the world cannot be brought under control by their own peers then just how do we expect children to get the schoolyard bullies under control?
Manson's solution is violence: Eye for an eye, from which we end up with a world of blind people.
Now back to Manson's continued attacks on "Christian Morality"...
I wish I could personally ask Marilyn Manson aka Brian Warner, what his definition of socalled "Christian Morality" is? I think he's referring to the hypocrisy of televangelist adultery, two faced crony xtianity that steals from widows for their small pensions and builds gold enamel pipes in mansions, pedophilia and all the sins that have driven people of all walks of life away from faith. These same things Jesus condemned, so Marilyn Manson is confused when he speaks of "Christian Morals". or the problem with hypocrites in "the inner circle" of churches, who prey on the downtrodden, relegating the "untouchables" to the corner of a sunday school room with their mouths shut, carrying the burden of projected inadequacies by those individuals, all to self-exalt a few in positions of staff with thier fine cars, jewelry and social prestige; deacons, there for social-networking, NOT to help the poor, widow, orphan. That is not "christian morals". Those are the attitudes Jesus condemned.
True Christian teachings were as Jesus put it, "Love God with all your soul, and Love your neighbor as yourself." What Manson is pointing his finger at, is neither Christian nor morality.
Footnote
... I want readers to know, I was *personally* of my own free opinion *disgusted* by what I saw of this atheist's abusive tyrades and antics, as he basked in his bully-fest -nobody, irregardless of race, religion, sexual orientation or otherwise deserves to be treated like Manson treats his colleagues. I could see and sense the frustration in John 5, as he had probably dealt with the excessive bullying for the 1000th or more time, on-stage as he'd dealt with it off-stage. Ready to blow. So clearly, John 5 is not a professional boxer or professional wrestler and more importantly, what law says he has to be? Brian Warner was way out of line.John 5 didn't sign up to street brawl. He's a musician by trade -- but with blockheads like Manson you're stuck deciding between "Do I forfeit the contract, do I throw down, right here, and whip this loser in front of the audience and risk getting my own busted up in the process? or do I do fulfil on my obligation to contract?" For whatever reasons, John 5 chose to compose himself, back off and stick with the contract and keep on playing like the intelligent, talented musician he is. I sensed that, having been bullied, deciding between quitting and my job. Been there myself, trying to hold down a job, and people just keep hacking on ya, hacking on ya, hacking on ya... John 5 is a musician who doesn't want anything to do with street level gang warfare (needless to say has probably went on to much better things, like one of the band members went on to build up "Nine Inch Nails" one of the most successful bands of the past decade). Yet, as expected, all Manson has to offer is more ridicule and ranting against former members.
... I don't care if anyone's homosexual or not, no human being deserves to be treated the way Brian Warner treats his employees. That level of abuse is disgusting, we put up with it on school yards, in the workplace, unfortunately even in some churches to some degree or another. Are we intelligent human beings, or animals? Manson needs to point that finger at himself for a change. Himself is where "Change" must begin.
Brian Warner, aka Marilyn Manson is somewhat of a hypocrite even bolstering communism, when he regularly abuses his own employees like chattel, in the manner of a typical greedy capitalist. (I am referencing his lyrics "Beautiful People" which speaks against Christianity and Capitalism as "the problem"). Exploitation of workers, is all part and parcel of "the problem".
Unfortunately, when the day is done, Marilyn Manson, aka Brian Warner is not left with a message. And for posterity, who needs Fred Phelps, when you've got abusers like Marilyn Manson to hate on homosexuals and people with differences? According to former band-mate John 5 (regularly abused / bullied by Manson) : "It was on my birthday, and he turned to me and said, "Happy birthday, faggot" — then walked away." From the video footage, I have every reason to believe this description of behavior is well within the norm for Brian Warner, and on the question of the recent suicide of Tyler Clementi the Rutgers University kid, due to bullying and harrassment of homosexual men? I'm sure Mr. Brian Warner, aka Marilyn Manson in all his Atheist morality thought it was "all in good fun," "wholesome amusement," and merely that "boys will be boys".
Manson's perversion is not the solution, he is THE problem with society and THE reason males bully males. Until the Mansons of the world decide to change themselves, bullying will continue, and sadly, kids like Tyler Clementi will continue to commit suicide.
It's not "Adult Entertainment," Mr. Brian Warner, and if you refuse to change, don't expect other bullies to. Don't waste your breath or our time preaching to society, about bullies or the parents of bullies willingness to change, because "Change" begins one person at a time, beginning with yourself.
"...two families - including the Vidovics - are suing the school district, claiming their children were bullied to death and the school did nothing to stop it. The lawsuits come after a national spate of high-profile suicides by gay teens and others, and during a time of national soul-searching about what can be done to stop it.
If there has been soul-searching among the bullies in Mentor - a pleasant beachfront community that was voted one of the "100 Best Places to Live" by CNN and Money magazine this year - Sladjana's family saw too little of it at her wake in October 2008.
Suzana Vidovic found her sister's body hanging over the front lawn. The family watched, she said, as the girls who had tormented Sladjana for months walked up to the casket - and laughed.
"They were laughing at the way she looked," Suzana says, crying. "Even though she died."
- AOL News, more on, Bullied to Death
