(The Unknown God Acts 17:23) God's existence can not be proved or disproved. The Bible says so.

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A reader questioned,

"A person who believes the existence of God cannot be proved or disproved is a ?"

An atheist "feels" (emphasis: emotion) they feel, the existence of god has been disproved. But such a thing has never been accomplished. As long as there are believers in god(s), then those gods surely do exist, at least in the minds of the believers.

That reader nailed it.

I do not believe the existence of god can be proven or disproved. I have no clue what that makes me. Perhaps a thinker... a realist.. an acceptor of obvious truth? I see things in black and white, for what they are, as they are written.
Theists feel they can "prove" the existence of god whilst Atheists feel the existence of god have been disproved. What god are they speaking of? Not the Biblical God obviously.

And where do Agnostics fall into that classification? Perhaps somewhere along the lines of, "holding no belief that god, can be proven or disproved". Which is in fact the truth, but for very different reasons than my own rationale.

One must ask, "Which god is in question?" Assuming one is questioning evidence or lack of evidence for the Hebrew God? Well then we must go to the source: The Bible.

Isaiah 45:15 : Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Savior.

Psalm 44:24 : Why do you hide your face and forget our misery and oppression?

Isaiah 8:17 : I will wait for the LORD, who is hiding his face from the descendants of Jacob. I will put my trust in him.

Does this mean the Bible teaches that God is the prodigal absent parent? No. Quite the opposite. God is omniscient and that presence is all consuming.

Hebrews 4:13 : And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

For this cause, leads me to believe many Christians are not true Christians, or at least closet Atheists. They may attend church, but play the devil the other 6.9 days of the week... those jaw-dropping things they do behind closed doors. Obviously, they do not truly believe Hebrews 4:13 and have no fear of the God they claim to believe exists.

Proverbs 25:2 : It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, But the glory of kings is to search out a matter.

Daniel 12:9 : He said, "Go your way, Daniel, for these words are concealed and sealed up until the end time.

Matthew 16:4 : A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

So, Xtians will go on (equally as confused in their confidence as Atheists are to have patent, packaged "truth"), yet according to the Hebrew scriptures, the teachers had a very different God concept to offer their listeners.

Acts 17:23 : For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, To The Unknown God. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

Oh how Atheists and Theists do proclaim to patent, package "know everything of God". But scripture declares the mysterious being to be unknown. This demand for "empirical and tangible evidence" flies in the face of Biblical teachings, both old and new testaments. Both Atheists and Theists are misguided on the basics of Biblical-Christian doctrines as taught by the prophets and Jesus.

Hebrews 11:1 : Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

THE UNKNOWN GOD, INDEED!

A simply false mythological teaching by Xtians, reinventing the Hebrew God, into a god styled on the gods of the Greeks or Romans... complete with a worldly throne, and human frailties. (anyone who denies this, should read up on God's wrath when the Hebrews reinvented God, with the "Queen of Heaven" as his consort. But earnestly, how many Christians actually bother read their Bible to form an original opinion?

Xtianity, over the centuries has reconstructed a "god" concept of their own invention, made In the image of Man, though not based on any Biblical scriptures.

God is stripped of his omnipotence in the Old Testament and reinvented as a small, frail, "king" in the physical form of a man. Zeus sits on a throne, and true to the Zeus myth, has lightning bolts and an electrical magic show about the throne, in a distant heaven, and oblivious to affairs of man.

However, David, the King of Israel, who should know a helluva lot more than modern Xtians about "who" and "what" the Hebrew God is, had a very different impression of God's size, shape, form and mass.

1 Kings 8:27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?

2 Chronicles 6:18 But will God in very deed dwell with men on the earth? behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house which I have built!

So which false prophet and lying preacher started spreading the nasty little myth that God's physical form is identical to the Greek God Zeus?

God's Throne
The Mythical Greek God Zeus who sits in Valhalla
God's Throne
The Mythical Greek God Zeus who sits in Valhalla
God's Throne
The Mythical Greek God Zeus who sits in Valhalla
God's Throne
The Mythical Greek God Zeus who sits in Valhalla... Mount Olympus or whatever. To the Xtians its the "Third Heaven" like the Greek mythology. The Indians had the "Great Hunting Ground".

Oh well. It matters not. Xtians do not care about knowing the truth of "The Unknown God," since they worship false polytheistic idols like the silly Egyptian-Babylonian serpent-deity "satan," and if the ancients Hebrews had their way, the consort, the "Queen of Heaven" would be portrayed alongside Jehovah to this day.... oh wait, wait, wait!

Jeremiah 7:18, "... the women knead the dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke Me to anger!"

Could ongoing "Mary Worship," be that same old ancient idolatry, reinvented?

Once people began to worship the mother more than the child, Babylonian priests felt forced to issue an edict deifying the mother also. After the passage of still more time, "her son's birth was boldly declared to be miraculous, and therefore she was called ...the Virgin Mother." (p.76) "The highest titles were then bestowed upon her. She was called the Queen of Heaven. In Egypt, she was styled Athor, i.e., the Habitation of God to signify that in her dwelt all the 'fulness of the Godhead'". (p.77) From this pagan beginning, the story of the Virgin Mother (Queen of Heaven) spread throughout the world.
VIRGIN MARY AND PAGAN GODDESS WORSHIP

These people who call themselves Judeo-Xtian, do not know who the Hebrew God is. Their impressions and concepts are derived from Idolatries, not actual scriptures. Therefore, how can they truly know God??

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What the %@!& is it with Snake Worship in Christianity?

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Xtians will still say they're "not worshiping snakes" like gods. But I see snake worship going on here. So do scholars...

Serpent and Fertility Worship
What is this obsession Xtians have with snakes? Perhaps out of their sexual repressions there's some subliminal love-hate relationship going on with the phallic symbolism, that is, a penis in their hands.
No, I mean really. Snakes often represent the phallic in dream language!

Freud and Snake Dreams

For Freud, founder of psychoanalysis, the snake is primarily a phallic symbol representing the penis and sexual drive. A Freudian interpretation of a snake dream emphasizes your relationship to sexuality and male figures in your life.

According to Freud, the snake is symbol for the penis. The meaning of a snake in a dream is associated with sexuality, and as an extension, with male figures in your life, or how you experience your own manhood, relationship with men or your male energy if you are a woman.
http://www.snakedreams.org/freud.html

READ MORE: Reality show snake-handling preacher dies -- of snakebite

(CNN) -- A Kentucky pastor who starred in a reality show about snake-handling in church has died -- of a snakebite.

Jamie Coots died Saturday evening after refusing to be treated, Middleborough police said.

On "Snake Salvation," the ardent Pentecostal believer said that he believed that a passage in the Bible suggests poisonous snakebites will not harm believers as long as they are anointed by God. The practice is illegal in most states, but still goes on, primarily in the rural South.

Coots was a third-generation "serpent handler" and aspired to one day pass the practice and his church, Full Gospel Tabernacle in Jesus Name, on to his adult son, Little Cody.

The National Geographic show featured Coots and cast handling all kinds of poisonous snakes -- copperheads, rattlers, cottonmouths. The channel's website shows a picture of Coots, goateed, wearing a fedora. "Even after losing half of his finger to a snake bite and seeing others die from bites during services," Coots "still believes he must take up serpents and follow the Holiness faith," the website says.

On Sunday, National Geographic Channels spokeswoman Stephanie Montgomery sent CNN this statement: "In following Pastor Coots for our series Snake Salvation, we were constantly struck by his devout religious convictions despite the health and legal peril he often faced.

Satanic Phallic Worship
From Encyclopedia Britannica, 14th Edition ©1929
Tribute In Stone of Primitive Phallic Worship

  • Ophiolatreia: An Account of the Rites and Mysteries Connected with the Origin, Rise, and Development of Serpent Worship in Various Parts of the World, PRIVATELY PRINTED. 1889.
    Enriched With Interesting Traditions, and a full description of the celebrated Serpent Mounds & Temples, The whole forming an exposition of one of the phases of Phallic, or sex worship.
  • Sex and sex worship : (phallic worship) a scientific treatise on sex, its nature and function, and its influence on art, science, architecture, and religion--with special reference to sex worship and symbolism (1922)
    Author: Wall, O. A. (Otto Augustus), 1846-1922
    Subject: Phallicism; Sex; Sex and history
    Publisher: St. Louis : C. V. Mosby company
    Book contributor: University of California Libraries
    Collection: cdl; americana
  • Serpent and Fertility Worship

    Also available on Google Books.

    Agnostic Response: I read about the case of the serpent handler dying.

    And yes, there's serpents mentioned in the Bible.

    Fact of nature, chimpanzees go ape sh*t whenever they see even a rubber snake. We have a lot of chimp in us. If we had evolved from chickens, then our Satan would probably be a hawk, because young chicks cower beneath their mom whenever even the fake shadow of a hawk appears on the ground near them.

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    Charles Darwin and Judit Polgar: "Religion doesn't make a difference"

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    Why Atheism does not make for increased intelligence:

    Very profound revelation from Science!

    "The neocortex, unique to humans, is strongly associated with language, reasoning and attention."
    God on the Brain: The Neurobiology of Faith

    Horses, Cows, Apes, Cats, Lizards, Rodents, et cetera, are Atheists. They do not possess the human brain to remotely conceive of a "God"'s existence. Only an idiot would try to preach of God to a horse, gorilla or insect. To even conceive in one's mind of "God" requires a neocortex (irregardless of what that "God" may be and whatever one's personal conclusions may be) require the neocortex (reasoning center of the brain).

    So therefore, it is in itself evidence God, as a concept accompanies higher intelligence.

    However, as Polgar concludes, "Religion does not make a difference..."
    For as science has shown, "...These findings emphasize that intelligence in vertebrates does not necessarily rely on a neocortex but can be realized in endbrain circuitries that developed independently via convergent evolution." Abstract rule neurons in the endbrain support intelligent behaviour in corvid songbirds

    Circuitries in the brain are determining factors in intelligence, not one's religious belief or belief about God (the neocortex).

    Judit Polgar: "Religion doesn't make a difference"

    Judit Polgar is alleged to have an IQ of 170
    The strongest female chess player in history, Polgar beat Bobby Fisher to become the youngest Grandmaster ever at 15 years, 5 months -- chess.com asserts she has an IQ of 170.
    Polgar's father educated his three daughters at home with chess as the central subject. Judit is an International Master and her two sisters are Grandmasters.
    The experiment belied the assumption that women were naturally weaker players, and strengthened the nurture over nature argument.
    Age: 35
    Nationality: Hungarian
    Job: Chess Grandmaster, mother
    The 19 Smartest People The World Has Ever Seen

    "Religion doesn’t make a difference..."

    If chess is implemented in schools as a mandatory subject, what are the advantages and benefits to society in general?

    Chess is a language. Chess doesn’t make any distinction between a girl and a boy. Religion doesn’t make a difference, nor whether you’re rich or poor. You can also socialise with your parents and grandparents. Chess teaches you critical thinking, the ability to focus, logic, how to think ahead, a respect both for rules and for your opponent – and there are many more ways in which chess helps children and society.

    Judit Polgar Interview

    On that note... Religion doesn't make a difference. Although Judit Polgar is listed as Jewish. So please Atheists, get a life!!!! Obsessing on negative issues indicates some deeper emotional issue that should be addressed with a psychiatrist. No really. Obsession on NEGATIVE things leads to high blood pressure, weakened immunity and other unwanted health problems unless one is suicidal and wants to kill themselves at an early age, but that too is classified as mental issue. Every time I witness Atheists obsessed with stamping out religion, it is disturbing. I would say of all people I have ever acquainted or known of, Agnostics are the most happiest people. They are resigned to accept they cannot form an opinion on the "unknown" and don't care about it either, as they have many other enjoyable activities to engage in, friends, family and happiness.

    I doubt Atheists got that. The words roll off the brain like water on a duck's back. They presume Judit Polgar's words, "Religion doesn't make a difference..." is inciting them to hack up forums with anti-religious rhetoric vandalism and hating on the religious. No, Atheists! Polgar meant what is written in black and white, please, *reading comprehension engaged* : "Religion doesn’t make a difference..." Judit Polgar means Religion is indifferent, irrelevant, a non-issue... caput... casper... nada... it does not make a difference... like totally, try to live and let live...

    Polgar speaks more like an Agnostic (her words are spoken as one who is chilled out, relaxed, happy, enjoying her life), not filled with angst and obsessing over stamping out the lifestyles of others, but very focused on enjoying her own life, and having a truly worthwhile life beyond their keyboard warrior campaign against the religious), and just don't care about religion. Period. Indifferent. Irrelevant. They have a life beyond obsessing over things they cannot explain, and prefer channeling all that mental energy into sharpening their chess game.

    Speaking of what makes high intelligence? Well, Judit Polgar defeated Bobby Fischer, the famed world chess champ. Fischer had Asperger's Syndrome and also born Jewish. So perhaps his genius was a result of one or the other, Jewish birth or the autism spectrum disorder (Asperger's Syndrome is typically symptomatic of highly focused interest on one specific topic of interest) in Fisher's case, he was absolutely, unequivocally obsessed with Chess.

    And a moment to consider Bill Gates, the computer industry innovator and founder of Microsoft who was notably diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome as well. Well, its apparent Non-Belief and Religion, as Polgar put it "...doesn’t make a difference..." But being born with Asperger's Syndrome, or on the Autism Spectrum, like Temple Grandin who believes in God, can make one exceptionally intelligent and focused on their game, like Polgar, Gates or Fisher.

    Atheists bedeck themselves in stolen plummage. Charles Darwin, like Judit Polgar shared the sentiment that "Religion doesn't make a difference." Darwin is credited with revolutionizing science, well, it wasn't his Atheism to thank... Nooooo, but you can thank his Autism!!!

    Charles Darwin had autism, leading psychiatrist claims
    Charles Darwin probably had a form of autism called Asperger's syndrome which is related to creativity and originality, a leading psychiatrist claims.
    by Rebecca Smith, Medical Editor, 12:01AM GMT 18 Feb 2009
    Darwin, the author of On the Origin of Species which sets out the theory of natural selection, had an extraordinary attention to detail but had difficulties with social interaction, according to Prof Michael Fitzgerald of Dublin's Trinty College.
    Prof Fitzgerald believes that Darwin, who was born on Feb 12, 200 years ago, was suffering from a behavioural disorder.
    Today he will tell the annual meeting of the Royal College of Psychiatrists' Faculty of Academic Psychiatry, and says Darwin was probably suffering from Asperger's syndrome.
    Prof Fitzgerald said: "It is suggested that the same genes that produce autism and Asperger's syndrome are also responsible for great creativity and originality.
    "Asperger's syndrome gave Darwin the capacity to hyperfocus, the extra capacity for persistence, the enormous ability to see detail that other people missed, the endless energy for a lifetime dedication to a narrow task, and the independence of mind so critical to original research."

    On that snippet, Atheists are left scrambling to rationalize in their mind how their view on religion makes a difference... but instead, there's only a big fat blank... what? Atheism failed to make them one wit wiser!?! envious, disillusioned and disgruntled because, Sorry! Intelligence is governed by brain cells and their circuits... not one's silly personal "belief about religion!" Without those brain cells, you wouldn't even have a belief!

    Despite the lack of a layered neocortex and fundamental differences in endbrain organization in birds compared with mammals, intelligent species evolved from both vertebrate classes. Among birds, corvids show exceptional cognitive flexibility. Here we explore the neuronal foundation of corvid cognition by recording single-unit activity from an association area known as the nidopallium caudolaterale (NCL) while carrion crows make flexible rule-guided decisions, a hallmark of executive control functions. The most prevalent activity in NCL represents the behavioural rules, while abstracting over sample images and sensory modalities of the rule cues. Rule coding is weaker in error trials, thus predicting the crows’ behavioural decisions. This suggests that the abstraction of general principles may be an important function of the NCL, mirroring the function of primate prefrontal cortex. These findings emphasize that intelligence in vertebrates does not necessarily rely on a neocortex but can be realized in endbrain circuitries that developed independently via convergent evolution.
    Abstract rule neurons in the endbrain support intelligent behaviour in corvid songbirds

    Asperger's Syndrome is a genetic "disorder" that often leads to abnormally high intelligence, and unimitable focus on one or more pet topics, and sometimes lends to what people may call "absolute genius." So Atheists!!! please stop stealing the glory away from Asperger's Syndrome, and bedecking the glory on that silly philosophy of atheism! It's worthless philosophy.

    Opportunities to sharpen one's innate human potential, one's talents and gifts, make a difference. Education makes a difference. Religion does not. Freedom makes a difference.

    Atheists really sooooo need to get a life and "get over it." Hike a mountain or walk the beach! Go to a park and meet new people. Try even going to some Universalist denomination church... meet people, make new friends, if its even remotely possible, TRY to enjoy life! By God! Find some interest to constitute a life beyond the internet!!! Restore a classic vehicle, or produce a fine piece of art, record an upbeat, inspirational song that will inspire others toward positive thoughts. Take a vitamin C. Exercise. Do something with your life, instead of obsessively hacking on people who have a spiritual outlook, that's THEIR life, not yours to dictate! Then again, perhaps some are so militantly religious in their atheism, for good or ill and having ZERO LIFE BEYOND ATHEISM (*ack* Oooo, so religious!! *ack* *ack*) they can't live beyond eating, sleeping, and crapping the religious thunder, obsessing on religion until its a sickness, because they have no boasting rights in any other topic or area of their life... or perhaps its just that certain atheists sub-consciously and secretly love and admonish those little Demigod-slash-Demagogue dictators?


    Thought-provoking to ponder.

    The evolution of intelligence (as the research concludes) is not restricted to humans. Through convergent evolution, birds have acquired and possess an innate intelligence. Dolphins are often praised as highly intelligent. Numerous animals exhibit traits that outdo humans on many levels in regard to "intelligence".

    However, dolphins and crows lack the human neocortex. They also lack a belief in God. They lack the "new brain," "modern brain" or "human brain" and through it, the neocortex, humans are able to grasp, wrap their mind around and understand the God concept. It is PHILOSOPHY.

    INTELLIGENCE itself is removed, unrelated to a belief in God one way or the other, and INTELLIGENCE has nothing to do with a lack of belief. So whilst a mentally retarded person can often understand the basic concept of "God is love," or a genius Cattle expert like Temple Grandin confirm her belief in God, or a dumb animal that is born and dies atheist due to its inability to conceive of God's existence, or be it the highly intelligent Stephen Hawking that claims he is atheist... the neocortex offers only one advantage in this regard. It enables the human to grasp the concept of God.
    An animal cannot.
    Intelligence itself is irrelated to such beliefs as it relies primarily on brain circuitry.
    Conversion to atheism will have zero effect on ever increasing one's IQ or altering their brain circuitry; their human potential, their fate, their path in life or otherwise, to any significant degree. Some are born to become chess grandmasters, a prodigy of musical arts, talented painters, gifted writers whilst others genetically predispositioned to never succeed at making any signficant achievement throughout their entire lifetime, irregardless of their religion or their lack of belief. All the access in the world will not make them one wit more intelligent; creative, innovative, reasoning outside the box. Genetically speaking, they are predispositioned at birth to excel to an IQ of 75, or an IQ of 100, or an IQ of 120 and less common, an IQ of 170 as is claimed of Judit Polgar.

    The same region of the brain that makes it possible to grasp the God concept and for the human to reason the existence of God, is the same region that makes it possible for an atheist to still grasp the God concept and to "rationalize away" why God does not exist in his/her own mind. However, all this philosophizing does not contribute to any increased intelligence. To assume it does, is a delusion. It is empty words, as even the religious would admit, most God concepts are supposedly to be about a "personal relationship" with God vs. a mass movement. Therefore to each his own opinion on the matter of God and religion. Live and let live.

    Intelligence is determined by brain circuitry, and not exclusively attributed to the neocortex. Asperger's Syndrome, which likely gifted Charles Darwin with the brain wiring necessary for acute attention to detail and hyperfocus on specialized areas in zoology and biology from which he derived his theory, is a case study for neuropsychology, NOT the philosophy of Atheism. As for Atheism, Charles Darwin only expressed his LACK of interest in it! Religion was of no interest to Charles Darwin.

    There are many creatures, far more gifted with wit and intellect far above that of humans, gifted at solving puzzles or abstract thinking, which relate directly to their high intelligence.

    The neocortex (exclusive to humans) enables people to reason, and that includes the unique ability to conceive the God concept.
    The neocortex itself, is not responsible for intelligence, it is merely what makes us "human."

    Therefore, philosophize as they may,
    by night or by day,
    NOT one wit intelligent or wiser,
    have they through Atheism ...been made!

    Atheism can not make them more intelligent, no more than converting to Atheism could ever predisposition them to possess the skill or intelligence to beat Judit Polgar in a chess match!!!

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    If educated and reason-minded Christian men of science like Louis Agassiz found it plausible to embrace the concept of a supernatural entity at work in nature, then the possibility is good enough for me.

    Science Fact: "The Sun and all the planets were formed at around the same time, depending on when you define the birth of the sun. Before the Sun became as it is today it was a proto sun, which had all the elements it has now but it just had not started the nuclear reaction which fuels today's sun. As the sun started to form from the debris of the dust/particle cloud so did all the planets."
    The entire commentary (link).
    The Earth is not Young, but the Sun's nuclear reaction, is... based on fossil evidence, a wee 500 million years old.

    Astronomers Discover Coldest Star Ever [VIDEO]

    Early Earth

    But what about Stromatolites and photosynthesis 3.5 billion years ago?

    That's covered here in full.

    Had there been any sunlight, it would have never reached the surface of the Earth, anyway.

    Early Earth

    I profess my innocense of the crime of Bibliolatry, however, I am scathed with certain Atheists who've somehow came to the conclusion their deconversion (which soon lead to blasphemous attacks on people of faith and anti-religious tyrades) supposedly equal a one size fits all, "patent truth"(TM), or even worse, a "scientific truth." Only the religious minded are under the delusion they advance their creeds by deception and claims to possess a monopoly on "absolute truths". Not unlike their counterparts Theistic Fundamentalists, who also believe they monopolize some sacred "Truth of Truths"(TM)... yet in my years acquainting both extremes, not much appears to be about an actual search for greater truths, understanding or knowledge. Rather, hatred and bigotry tend to be the motivating factor behind their many senseless squabbles.

    Straight from Scripture Commentary:

    Trees Before Sunlight
    See the King James Hebrew-Greek KeyWord Study Bible, AMG Publishers, 1991 for yet another reprint of this century-old LIE. This EVIL lie has been told and retold by theologians, biblical scholars, preachers and priests to paralyze brains of the religious, so that they may continue unabated generating billions in tithes and donations from the faithful, never again to question the dishonest anti-Darwinist rhetoric, so the church can continue fighting to stamp out truth and enlightenment. These men within the hallowed halls of the establishment of organized religion, just as those priests, the murderers of Jesus, are the enemies of God because "God" can only be found on the side of what is proven to be TRUTH. And I present the truth here vs. their evil lies that have deceived millions.

    Prototaxites, A Fossil Fruiting Fungi, 'Tree'
    Scientists discovered this fossilized, non-photosynthetic, fruiting "tree," and call it Prototaxites.

    They said it couldn't be done, but here it is, thanks to modern science and praise to God for revealing the truth about the fossil record. Still waiting on evangelicals to address this fossil discovery and begin owning up to their wretched LIES and DAMNED LIES for over a century... if it looks, waddles and quacks like a tree... its probably a tree.
        "The various attempts to join together the biblical account of creation and evolution are not supportable by the various gap theories because the order of creation is in direct opposition to the views of modern science (e.g., the creation of trees before light.)"
    Source: King James Hebrew-Greek KeyWord Study Bible, AMG Publishers, 1991

    Yes, finally, trees exactly as described in Genesis, before, and without sunlight. And no, it's not another lame hoax. (Short) and (Long). See, Prototaxites, Fossilized "Fruiting Fungi," 'Tree'.

    Also see Evolution of the Earliest Plant Organisms, specifically the "Fruiting Fungi" which fits an identical description,
    1. Has fruit with "seed" (spores) inside itself, and
    2. Can survive without sunlight (exactly as described in Genesis). Such organisms would have certainly existed during the Vendian/Precambrian.
    3. For a long time, scientists presumed or presume a giant "mystery fungi" was a tree, a conifer, to be precise... and some have now described it as one of the "Fruiting Fungi".

    Also, see "Fruit Trees Before Sunlight".

    I Challenge All with this Thousand Dollar Question:
    Please engage brain and point out where either term, "Create" or "Design," even appear in this text of Genesis?
    Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth (tender) grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
    Genesis 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
    Genesis 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

    Still Waiting...

    When you Atheists or Fundamentalist Xtian Darwin-haters can squeeze "creation" or "design" out of any of those verses which imply natural selection, let me know.

    And yes Atheists... please spare your sermon. Don't preach to the choir. I know all too well what you believe.

    Just because people become familiarized with Atheism, hardly means they are so blown away... so mesmerized with "The Truth"(TM) and taken in by a few persuasive argument fallacies that they automatically deconvert and lose faith. That they didn't accept your religion, hardly constitutes a lack of understanding. Perhaps it's just that Atheism is that unappealing. *The Shock* *The Awe* -- how could everyone not see things your way? They're just in denial. (Sound familiar?) Every religious adherent is *in shock* and *in awe* when others do not want to buy into their brand of religion and they fail to convince potential converts. Just as my views might not interest you, well, perhaps I am fully understanding your views and yet, Atheism still remains just that unappealing. Mainly because of the hateful attitudes and blatant lies that often accompany "The Truth"(TM). Any religion that has that extent of negativity in it can't be good for anyone's emotional well-being. Meanwhile, I fully understand why most people will not subscribe to my views. Foremost, it requires a minimal amount of knowledge of several scientific fields of study and secondly, reasoning that requires "thinking outside the box". Lastly, I'm not proposing to have any "One and Only Truth(TM)". Just presenting scientific facts whilst challenging long-held cherished falsehoods as well as faith in people to exercise critical reasoning and make up their own minds, and whatever conclusion people may arrive at is fine with me.

    Trees and Plants Before Sunlight
    Documentary from "The Soviet Story,"
    Jim Jones was a Communist
    Eddie Vedder
    Stage Name Marilyn Manson
    Alice in Chains

    The religious establishment and their twisted evil twin, anti-religion baiters said it couldn't be done, yet...

    TREES INDEED!

    Vegetation, Herbs and Trees Before Sunlight.
    Oh well, I guess that dashes arguments of Atheists and Science-Hating fundamentalists to little itsy bitsy pieces.
    (and more found here)

    Karl Marx Created Adolf Hitler
    Darwin's theory did not create Hitler as some have accused, nor did Hitler's Socialism have anything to do with Jesus Christ or Christianity. Besides Eugenics programme in early American history and over 27 states which had sterilization laws on the books before the time of Nazi Germany, Hitler derived his version of Communist ideologue, "National Socialism" directly from the Socialism of Karl Marx, advocate of the most malevolent version of toxic Atheism, and author of The Communist Manifesto which lead to the bloody death toll of at least 100 million in the 20th Century alone and the killing continues ...
    See Anti-Communism

    For more information on Communism, and the ghastly death tolls:

    The Black Book of Communism
    Black Book of Communism
    Amazon

    Harvard University Press
    Communist regimes around the globe are responsible for a greater number of deaths than any other political ideal or movement. It takes a brick of a book to provide the crushing scope of this murderous ideology, that killed tens of millions in the 20th Century and that will continue to kill.

    And while we're on the subject, let's set the record straight about Jim Jones, another evil, toxic atheist and Marxist-Leninist.
    "How could I demonstrate my Marxism? The thought was, infiltrate the church."
    - Jim Jones, founder of the murderous "People's Temple," a disgusting Atheist and Marxist degenerate camouflaged under the guise of being "A man of God".
    Carried out to the instruction as Marxist Revolutionary Vladimir Lenin, founder of the USSR, stated a necessity to infiltrate the Church, because the religious will '"swallow anything" if it is wrapped in religious terms.'

    Hitler, Messiah, Anti-Christ
    Like Atheist Stalin, Hitler wages a war against people of all religion.
    (See Commentary Link.)

    Communists murdered 100 Million over the past century.

    Communist party members are Atheists.

    And no, sorry, but Joseph Stalin was not a Christian because he attended seminary once and Christianity did not turn him into a butcher. George Bernard Shaw was no Christian either when he openly supported Hitler and mass genocide by gassing.

    I’m an atheist and I thank God for it.”
    - George Bernard Shaw

    Atheists know this doesn't look good when they attempt to convert people to Atheism, and people are aware of the death tolls under Communist regimes so Atheists will do mental cartwheels to conveniently deny history or come up with some other lame twisted argument fallacy to explain away the atrocities committed by Atheists, such as, "Communists worship the state," I suppose therefore they're not Atheists?? Hogwash! Enough of the silly grammar school semantics!! That's not what the Communist Party is saying, Atheists!! To become a member of the Atheist State Religion, ooops, I mean Communist Party, you must be a sworn Atheist. No exceptions!

    Darwin was never the problem. ATHEISM was the problem!? No wonder Christians rejected Darwin's theory after people like George Bernard Shaw and Karl Marx latched on to it like the parasites they were!

    I believe in the religion of Love which the Prophet Jesus Christ taught.
    So, Atheists! Looks like that agenda to convert the world to your religion of atheism has alas backfired. Your hate propaganda has turned people off. People as a whole are still as spiritual as ever, if not more so. Oh, don't delude yourself, people understand very very well what you believe, and I know all too well what you believe with your religion of hate. Whatever side you're on, I'm not there!!!

    My favorite Atheist, Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam, whose wonderful song "Jeremy" brought attention to the anguish of kids who deal with school bullies vs. my least favorite

    Mr. Brian Warner, aka Marilyn "Who Needs Fred Phelps?" Manson? guilty of regularly bullying and abusing his employees, both physically and mentally. THE VIDEOS ARE DISTURBING. Just "boys being boys"? or more age old ignorance that leads to a society of bullies. Most people have heard about the evil antics, but remain oblivious to the level of inappropriate bullying and ruthless violence even band members apparently have grown weary of.

    Saving the best for last.

    Sorry 'tis not Atheist that I can tell, but it is Alice in Chains. My favorite band of all time, brazenly questioning religious dogma and rhetoric.

    And not to forget my commentary on the meaning of Soundgarden: Black Hole Sun A must read... or at least, a must-listen!