Archaeological and Geological Evidence for Biblical Flood in Mesopotamia Was A Localized Flood And Theologians Knew This Already

The denial of Science by anti-Theists must end.

I'm providing copies of documentation for the following,

  • Evidence that theologians are very well aware of scientific criticism raised in regard to a "worldwide flood" and problems with all species on earth on a single boat, among other issues.
  • The actual interpretation of the original Hebrew which meant "localized" flood.
  • Scientists who theorize the Black Sea (brackish water) may itself have been the result of a catastrophic flood in the same region. A great flood of historic proportions that was immortalized into remembrance, through ancient mythology.
  • Geological evidence of a massive flood like that described in Genesis, but only exists in the region of Mesopotamia, where the book of Genesis was recorded.
  • Other scriptural evidence that supports what Dr. Geisler has proposed below, for the Hebrew term implying a "localized" flood

    HEBREW TEXT EVIDENCE
    namely, Genesis 10:2 (speaks of Japheth and descendents, spreading outward after the flood): "The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras... By these were the *isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.
    *Both Atheists and Fundamentalists are guilty of perpetually evading this question in their attempts to status quo the heck out of a "worldwide flood," perhaps in hope to discredit Genesis, but the question will not go away: Just whom does "isles of the Gentiles," refer to, and whom were these Gentiles who survived the flood?

    The text clearly implies the sons of Japheth divide the land of the Gentiles, according to their tongues. So, the whole earth was not of the "same language".

    Yet, in the very next chapter, Genesis 11, we see the opening verse (in supposed contradiction with Genesis 10?)
    Genesis 11:1 "And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech."

    It can not be both. Needless to say, it is not both.
    Skeptics might wish this faulty interpretation be perpetually propagated in their sole aim to nullify Genesis). But Dr. Geisler definitively points out, the Hebrew usage is referring to the immediate, localized region.

    According to http://www.bible-history.com/isbe/I/ISLES+OF+THE+GENTILES/
    "...the American Standard Revised Version "isles (margin "coast-lands") of the nations," said of the territories of the sons of Japheth. The reference is to the coasts of the Western Mediterranean, with their islands (compare "isles of the sea," Est 10:1; Ezek 26:18, etc.).

    Take a look at the location of "Western Meditteranean" in contrast to the location of Mesopotamia, where actual geological evidence exists for a massive local flood. Therefore, it can be deduced the Noachian flood never actually reached the Western Meditteranean and the "Gentiles" spoken of in Genesis 10, did survive the flood.


    SCRIPTURAL CRITICISM
    Another item to consider is from "Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics," by Dr. Norman Geisler. Skeptics really should stop pretending they have discovered a cutting-edge line of questions to overturn theology. Dr. Geisler's commentary is ample evidence the issues have been considered long before now, by himself and other credible theologians. Whether or not the church at large is teaching these truths to mainstream Christians is another story.


    Flood, Noah, Pg. 258
    Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics, Dr. Norman Geisler
    Fourth Edition, ©1999

    Christians are usually the last to be taught facts about these matters by the corrupt religious establishment, who seem to feel truth is on a "need to know" basis. Therefore I'll provide the information Pro Bono.
    Note: As it were back in the dark ages of the Catholic Church's height of power, depriving the common person access to the scriptures.. at threat of death some men like Tyndall, Wycliffe, Luther and others took it upon themselves to translate and make accessible, scripture, for the common person.
    How sad, with history showing brave men who sometimes suffered the fate of death for this "heresy," most Christians today, don't even read their Bibles. Was the sacrifice in vain, or is it rather that the church is guilty of convincing adherents they lack the ability to properly understand scriptures without an establishment intermediator from organized religion?
    Did Jesus Christ die in vain, or is not Jesus the only intermediator between a person and God? They will be taught by God! When Christians depend on men to teach, the blind lead the blind and they both fall in the ditch.
    But that's only my opinion, after becoming saved, actually reading the scriptures... and God's promise to reveal the truth to those who ask, so what could I possibly know?



    Flood, Noah, Pg. 258
    Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics, Dr. Norman Geisler
    Fourth Edition, ©1999

    So why do Darwinists and Agnostics and Atheists continue to pretend these issues were never raised and acknowledged by Christian theologians? Evade as they may, this publication is dated 1999, at least a decade since its publication! Yet the same outdated arguments will continue to churn from the Darwinist side, who are perpetually in denial of the more reasonable explanations already offered by leading theologians. In my personal experience with Darwinists (those certain Agnostics who seek to shed doubts on Scripture in hopes of winning over prospective converts to Atheism) share a preference for false, misleading and outdated information, sticking with status quo controversies such as 200 year old outdated beliefs; flat earth, geocentrism and other beliefs that the majority of Christians wouldn't even have known existed... and by making arguments against such things, one may be lead to presume Christians are "less intelligent," than an Atheist, or other Ad Hominems. Dishonesty seems to be the Atheists' preferred Modus Operandi over solid, honest debate as in addressing the full spectrum of the issue, instead of perpetually cherry-picking what may be distorted to make one's side seem more "intellectual." But of course, it boils down to nothing more than intellectual dishonesty, in hopes of creating the illusion they (the Atheist) hold the monopoly on scientific truths. Doesn't every religion claim to hold the monopoly on the one true, "absolute truth"? Atheism is no different than any other religion.



    The side that stands with TRUTH doesn't need to use lies, to win support... the truth stands on its own. The purpose however is more along the lines of deceitful propaganda, to create a false impression that no original thought ever enters the brain of a Christian. Character assasination, in contrast to the "intellectual, scientific discourse" they are so famed for boasting to adhere to.

    BLACK SEA FORMATION THEORY

    http://www.natgeochannel.co.uk/Programmes/Schedule.aspx?Id=678
    National Geographic produced a special on the question of the formation of the Black Sea. This theory was proposed by two scientists who were veterans in geology and question if ancient mythologies may possibly hint at the flood described in Genesis, devastating enough to form the Black Sea.

    Robert Ballard, the man who found the Titanic, ventures beneath the 'dead zone' in the Black Sea. Will he discover clues about one of the most dramatic events in the Bible?


    MESOPOTAMIAN ARCHAEOLOGY AND GEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE




    Reference: January 1930, National Geographic Magazine, Page 118-120

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    If educated and reason-minded Christian men of science like Louis Agassiz found it plausible to embrace the concept of a supernatural entity at work in nature, then the possibility is good enough for me.

    Science Fact: "The Sun and all the planets were formed at around the same time, depending on when you define the birth of the sun. Before the Sun became as it is today it was a proto sun, which had all the elements it has now but it just had not started the nuclear reaction which fuels today's sun. As the sun started to form from the debris of the dust/particle cloud so did all the planets."
    The entire commentary (link).
    The Earth is not Young, but the Sun's nuclear reaction, is... based on fossil evidence, a wee 500 million years old.

    Astronomers Discover Coldest Star Ever [VIDEO]

    Early Earth

    But what about Stromatolites and photosynthesis 3.5 billion years ago?

    That's covered here in full.

    Had there been any sunlight, it would have never reached the surface of the Earth, anyway.

    		 Early Earth

    I profess my innocense of the crime of Bibliolatry, however, I am scathed with certain Atheists who've somehow came to the conclusion their deconversion (which soon lead to blasphemous attacks on people of faith and anti-religious tyrades) supposedly equal a one size fits all, "patent truth"(TM), or even worse, a "scientific truth." Only the religious minded are under the delusion they advance their creeds by deception and claims to possess a monopoly on "absolute truths". Not unlike their counterparts Theistic Fundamentalists, who also believe they monopolize some sacred "Truth of Truths"(TM)... yet in my years acquainting both extremes, not much appears to be about an actual search for greater truths, understanding or knowledge. Rather, hatred and bigotry tend to be the motivating factor behind their many senseless squabbles.

    Straight from Scripture Commentary:

    Trees Before Sunlight
    See the King James Hebrew-Greek KeyWord Study Bible, AMG Publishers, 1991 for yet another reprint of this century-old LIE. This EVIL lie has been told and retold by theologians, biblical scholars, preachers and priests to paralyze brains of the religious, so that they may continue unabated generating billions in tithes and donations from the faithful, never again to question the dishonest anti-Darwinist rhetoric, so the church can continue fighting to stamp out truth and enlightenment. These men within the hallowed halls of the establishment of organized religion, just as those priests, the murderers of Jesus, are the enemies of God because "God" can only be found on the side of what is proven to be TRUTH. And I present the truth here vs. their evil lies that have deceived millions.

    Prototaxites, A Fossil Fruiting Fungi, 'Tree'
    Scientists discovered this fossilized, non-photosynthetic, fruiting "tree," and call it Prototaxites.

    They said it couldn't be done, but here it is, thanks to modern science and praise to God for revealing the truth about the fossil record. Still waiting on evangelicals to address this fossil discovery and begin owning up to their wretched LIES and DAMNED LIES for over a century... if it looks, waddles and quacks like a tree... its probably a tree.
        "The various attempts to join together the biblical account of creation and evolution are not supportable by the various gap theories because the order of creation is in direct opposition to the views of modern science (e.g., the creation of trees before light.)"
    Source: King James Hebrew-Greek KeyWord Study Bible, AMG Publishers, 1991

    Yes, finally, trees exactly as described in Genesis, before, and without sunlight. And no, it's not another lame hoax. (Short) and (Long). See, Prototaxites, Fossilized "Fruiting Fungi," 'Tree'.

    Also see Evolution of the Earliest Plant Organisms, specifically the "Fruiting Fungi" which fits an identical description,
    1. Has fruit with "seed" (spores) inside itself, and
    2. Can survive without sunlight (exactly as described in Genesis). Such organisms would have certainly existed during the Vendian/Precambrian.
    3. For a long time, scientists presumed or presume a giant "mystery fungi" was a tree, a conifer, to be precise... and some have now described it as one of the "Fruiting Fungi".

    Also, see "Fruit Trees Before Sunlight".

    I Challenge All with this Thousand Dollar Question:
    Please engage brain and point out where either term, "Create" or "Design," even appear in this text of Genesis?
    Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth (tender) grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
    Genesis 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
    Genesis 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

    Still Waiting...

    When you Atheists or Fundamentalist Xtian Darwin-haters can squeeze "creation" or "design" out of any of those verses which imply natural selection, let me know.

    And yes Atheists... please spare your sermon. Don't preach to the choir. I know all too well what you believe.

    Just because people become familiarized with Atheism, hardly means they are so blown away... so mesmerized with "The Truth"(TM) and taken in by a few persuasive argument fallacies that they automatically deconvert and lose faith. That they didn't accept your religion, hardly constitutes a lack of understanding. Perhaps it's just that Atheism is that unappealing. *The Shock* *The Awe* -- how could everyone not see things your way? They're just in denial. (Sound familiar?) Every religious adherent is *in shock* and *in awe* when others do not want to buy into their brand of religion and they fail to convince potential converts. Just as my views might not interest you, well, perhaps I am fully understanding your views and yet, Atheism still remains just that unappealing. Mainly because of the hateful attitudes and blatant lies that often accompany "The Truth"(TM). Any religion that has that extent of negativity in it can't be good for anyone's emotional well-being. Meanwhile, I fully understand why most people will not subscribe to my views. Foremost, it requires a minimal amount of knowledge of several scientific fields of study and secondly, reasoning that requires "thinking outside the box". Lastly, I'm not proposing to have any "One and Only Truth(TM)". Just presenting scientific facts whilst challenging long-held cherished falsehoods as well as faith in people to exercise critical reasoning and make up their own minds, and whatever conclusion people may arrive at is fine with me.
    Trees and Plants Before Sunlight
    Documentary from "The Soviet Story,"
    Jim Jones was a Communist
    Eddie Vedder
    Stage Name Marilyn Manson
    Alice in Chains

    The religious establishment and their twisted evil twin, anti-religion baiters said it couldn't be done, yet...

    TREES INDEED!

    Vegetation, Herbs and Trees Before Sunlight.
    Oh well, I guess that dashes arguments of Atheists and Science-Hating fundamentalists to little itsy bitsy pieces.
    (and more found here)

    Karl Marx Created Adolf Hitler
    Darwin's theory did not create Hitler as some have accused, nor did Hitler's Socialism have anything to do with Jesus Christ or Christianity. Besides Eugenics programme in early American history and over 27 states which had sterilization laws on the books before the time of Nazi Germany, Hitler derived his version of Communist ideologue, "National Socialism" directly from the Socialism of Karl Marx, advocate of the most malevolent version of toxic Atheism, and author of The Communist Manifesto which lead to the bloody death toll of at least 100 million in the 20th Century alone and the killing continues ...
    See Anti-Communism

    For more information on Communism, and the ghastly death tolls:

    The Black Book of Communism
    Black Book of Communism
    Amazon
    Harvard University Press
    Communist regimes around the globe are responsible for a greater number of deaths than any other political ideal or movement. It takes a brick of a book to provide the crushing scope of this murderous ideology, that killed tens of millions in the 20th Century and that will continue to kill.

    And while we're on the subject, let's set the record straight about Jim Jones, another evil, toxic atheist and Marxist-Leninist.
    "How could I demonstrate my Marxism? The thought was, infiltrate the church."
    - Jim Jones, founder of the murderous "People's Temple," a disgusting Atheist and Marxist degenerate camouflaged under the guise of being "A man of God".
    Carried out to the instruction as Marxist Revolutionary Vladimir Lenin, founder of the USSR, stated a necessity to infiltrate the Church, because the religious will '"swallow anything" if it is wrapped in religious terms.'

    Hitler, Messiah, Anti-Christ
    Like Atheist Stalin, Hitler wages a war against people of all religion.
    (See Commentary Link.)

    Communists murdered 100 Million over the past century.

    Communist party members are Atheists.

    And no, sorry, but Joseph Stalin was not a Christian because he attended seminary once and Christianity did not turn him into a butcher. George Bernard Shaw was no Christian either when he openly supported Hitler and mass genocide by gassing.

    “I’m an atheist and I thank God for it.”
    - George Bernard Shaw

    Atheists know this doesn't look good when they attempt to convert people to Atheism, and people are aware of the death tolls under Communist regimes so Atheists will do mental cartwheels to conveniently deny history or come up with some other lame twisted argument fallacy to explain away the atrocities committed by Atheists, such as, "Communists worship the state," I suppose therefore they're not Atheists?? Hogwash! Enough of the silly grammar school semantics!! That's not what the Communist Party is saying, Atheists!! To become a member of the Atheist State Religion, ooops, I mean Communist Party, you must be a sworn Atheist. No exceptions!

    Darwin was never the problem. ATHEISM was the problem!? No wonder Christians rejected Darwin's theory after people like George Bernard Shaw and Karl Marx latched on to it like the parasites they were!

    I believe in the religion of Love which the Prophet Jesus Christ taught.
    So, Atheists! Looks like that agenda to convert the world to your religion of atheism has alas backfired. Your hate propaganda has turned people off. People as a whole are still as spiritual as ever, if not more so. Oh, don't delude yourself, people understand very very well what you believe, and I know all too well what you believe with your religion of hate. Whatever side you're on, I'm not there!!!

    My favorite Atheist, Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam, whose wonderful song "Jeremy" brought attention to the anguish of kids who deal with school bullies vs. my least favorite

    Mr. Brian Warner, aka Marilyn "Who Needs Fred Phelps?" Manson? guilty of regularly bullying and abusing his employees, both physically and mentally. THE VIDEOS ARE DISTURBING. Just "boys being boys"? or more age old ignorance that leads to a society of bullies. Most people have heard about the evil antics, but remain oblivious to the level of inappropriate bullying and ruthless violence even band members apparently have grown weary of.

    Saving the best for last.

    Sorry 'tis not Atheist that I can tell, but it is Alice in Chains. My favorite band of all time, brazenly questioning religious dogma and rhetoric.

    And not to forget my commentary on the meaning of Soundgarden: Black Hole Sun A must read... or at least, a must-listen!